Seems everybody but me knows a lot about this book already. That does make me look a bit silly.

Wasn't exactly a bestseller

I've never heard that pointed out actually, and it seems a *bit* exaggerated (cities in red states are far more blue than the rest of the state obviously, but usually not quite as blue as cities in blue states, sometimes not even blue enough to get local Democratic majorities in presidential voting, whereas in some blue states even the rural districts vote blue), but largely accurate, yeah.
Well here's the 2004 county map you can pick out the cities, on the other hand it looks a lot more balanced with this exact same 2004 county map with purple but it tends to indicate that state is less a factor than simply urban. Note that Helena, Montana is blue on both versions, for instance. So your assertion that blue cities in red states are less blue is, I would say, mostly true. What I mean is that, as the counties indicate, a state takes it's color more form what percent of the pop is urban than anything else. This doesn't conflict with what you're saying I think, unless I've mistook you.
Visually this may be clearer by looking also at this map of population density by county though in all cases, it is by county instead of by municipality itself, so there is an uncertainty value, color's backward of course since red is used to indicate density
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. If those red states have younger populations, that is certainly relevant to the matter at hand. But you seem to be making another argument that isn't quite clear to me.
I was primarily using old/young specifically in reference to median first marriage age but yes there is an age gap factor too, another reason I object to the article and the book, and yes I wans't particular clear on that, sorry. Maine pops in at #1 with a median population age of 40.7 and Utah bottoms at 51 with 28, Texas at #50 is 32.9, a huge gap then, which is likely a factor in this. Here is a state breakdown by median age for your perusal. The dispersal overall though doesn't appear to be massively waited toward red or blue but it is definitely there. For young marriage, bottom five and median overall age are: Utah #51, Idaho #45, Arkansas #29, Oklahoma #32, and Kansas #34, all below average, and the top 5 Massachusetts #11, New York #19, Rhode Island #11, Connecticut #8, New Jersey #15 all above the average, it doens't seem too unlikely median age by state and median age of first marriage by state are connected.
Indeed I remember, and that was pretty much what I argued at the time. IQ is a very hazy concept at the best of times, and attempts to involve in politics are most certainly not the best of times.
Yep, 'tis what I mean by ideological masturbation, not enough to believe one's ideas are right, one must show it by trying to prove the superiority of those who hold the view, an invariably bad idea considering how most people get their views

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Red Families, Blue Families, Gay Families, and the Search for a New Normal
24/07/2010 05:56:09 AM
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This guy needs an editor. "Alright" is not all right. *NM*
24/07/2010 07:44:40 AM
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Is that really all you have to say about that article?
24/07/2010 12:14:11 PM
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When I'm on my iPhone I'm limited to short snark.
24/07/2010 10:21:48 PM
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It's a shame forum posts don't have "Sent from my iPhone" at the bottom like e-mails do.
25/07/2010 12:00:12 AM
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What, so we can have the excuse for writing shitty posts?
25/07/2010 01:52:01 AM
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I understand a lot of black people oppose gay marriage.
25/07/2010 01:02:19 PM
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Two things
25/07/2010 01:43:56 PM
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You shouldn't underestimate the power of religion in Africa as well.
25/07/2010 01:51:59 PM
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BS it is culture not religion
25/07/2010 03:21:59 AM
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That's a fascinating insight, although it does set my "oversimplification" alarm bells ringing.
24/07/2010 01:02:38 PM
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I agree that it seems overly simplified
24/07/2010 03:26:13 PM
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what do you mean don't assciate red/blue with republican/democrat?
26/07/2010 04:34:18 PM
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I know, but in the context of what he's discussing...
26/07/2010 05:43:29 PM
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This is a very interesting subject. I'll link to an older article inside.
24/07/2010 05:50:47 PM
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You pre-empted one of the comments I was going to make...
25/07/2010 12:12:56 AM
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Try reading the article to which I linked in the post above yours.
25/07/2010 03:01:21 AM
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In america once you account inflation and after taxes
25/07/2010 05:16:35 AM
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Not sure what the relevance of that to my post is?
25/07/2010 10:52:29 AM
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You were saying
25/07/2010 01:38:12 PM
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My point on that topic was...
25/07/2010 01:50:19 PM
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I nor the author never said the word failure
25/07/2010 02:45:11 PM
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Okay, well, my points are there, if you ever want to react to them, feel free.
25/07/2010 04:54:21 PM
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Red/blue assumptions here are likely a mistake
25/07/2010 01:43:18 AM
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I'd be interested to see the reasons why you assert that "most people don't really like gays."
25/07/2010 01:56:30 AM
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You'd only ever get anecdotal proof
25/07/2010 02:15:54 AM
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how many people in your generation use "that is so gay" as a compliment?
26/07/2010 02:33:12 PM
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and article that uses "Red families and Blues Families" as it basis really can't be taken seriously
26/07/2010 02:59:20 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with your whole post, but two important points...
26/07/2010 04:43:55 PM
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Well, Cahn and Carbone aren't experts in the field either
26/07/2010 05:25:50 PM
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while the specific demographics discussed are certainly worth questioning...
26/07/2010 05:48:30 PM
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the study he builds his argument around is not worth questioning
26/07/2010 06:43:21 PM
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I agree with you mostly
26/07/2010 08:28:04 PM
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My personal definition is a man and woman wanting to raise children or at least build a life togeth
26/07/2010 10:22:35 PM
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Interesting.
26/07/2010 06:40:44 PM
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Correct, the median age factor was also ignored
26/07/2010 07:28:19 PM
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