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let's take away the citizenship of all black people if that's the way you think moondog Send a noteboard - 05/08/2010 09:06:23 PM
I object to the practice. Major social change should not be enacted by the will of the court. It seems like a safe practice when they are doing things you like but it sets a precedent and under cuts your arguments when they start doing things you don’t like. The court’s power needs to be limited.


i mean, seriously. the civil rights movement that began with the blacks and continues through the gay marriage issue and beyond is going to always be determined by the courts. if you don't think certain people have the same rights as everyone else then that's your opinion but don't blame the court system for upholding the law as they interpret it.
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Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional ironclad - 04/08/2010 10:40:50 PM 1568 Views
Thank God. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/08/2010 10:52:30 PM 458 Views
Amen. *NM* Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:09:24 AM 518 Views
Good news, but as the article says, it'll go all the way to the SC. Legolas - 04/08/2010 10:55:58 PM 879 Views
So then is that how we do it? Jeordam - 04/08/2010 11:01:19 PM 1016 Views
Of course. ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:04:59 PM 914 Views
His point was ßelals Girl - 04/08/2010 11:40:14 PM 1055 Views
Yeah but: What Ghavrel said below *NM* ironclad - 05/08/2010 08:01:02 AM 509 Views
And again... ßelals Girl - 05/08/2010 06:08:56 PM 781 Views
To quote my property professor: "Can I make you think like a Californian?" Tom - 05/08/2010 06:39:48 PM 829 Views
well that is sort of the idea of how democracy works snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:06:57 PM 897 Views
I'm not the one who came up with the referendum system, you do realize. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:11:13 PM 903 Views
The referendum system, in my opinion, has been a failure, especially in CA. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:46:21 PM 993 Views
democracy has been a failure in CA. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:42:21 PM 769 Views
No. It just shows the problems of a crazy electorate. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:29:21 PM 910 Views
I think you made my point *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:35:00 PM 492 Views
About Californians being crazy, yes. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 04:53:32 PM 470 Views
we vote fro way to much crap in general random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:41:19 PM 864 Views
Yeah, I agree. Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:11:34 PM 843 Views
my one recent dealing with our criminal justice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:25:30 PM 867 Views
Yes, you still have to abide by the Constitution, even if a lot of people don't like it. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/08/2010 12:07:44 AM 465 Views
Amend the Constitution to alter the Fourteenth Amendment if you don't like it. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 01:09:51 AM 537 Views
just a devil's advocate position here, but.... moondog - 05/08/2010 04:23:43 AM 942 Views
Marriage is either an economic status regulated by law or a religious institution. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 AM 952 Views
There are certain things that should not be decided by a vote... Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:02:45 AM 932 Views
I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. nossy - 05/08/2010 02:17:24 AM 944 Views
Re: I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. snoopcester - 05/08/2010 10:46:54 AM 931 Views
I understand it. nossy - 05/08/2010 03:06:40 PM 940 Views
I know you don't support proposition 8 snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:29:34 PM 935 Views
nossy - 05/08/2010 03:34:01 PM 948 Views
But that is just simplistic and silly to complain about when it is a long standing possibility snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:46:59 PM 853 Views
Oh, ees it? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:07:39 PM 963 Views
Well they knew the rules before they started the whole thing snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:12:33 PM 851 Views
Why would you complain if you won? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:15:20 PM 912 Views
You could recognise that you won by the system working in a way you don't like? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:23:58 PM 783 Views
I'm sure that happens, in general. nossy - 06/08/2010 02:43:18 PM 835 Views
It seems to happen a lot nowadays snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:06:33 PM 809 Views
It's so weird that you feel differently - there is only room for one opinion here! nossy - 06/08/2010 03:41:52 PM 727 Views
There is only room for one opinion and mine is the right one snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:49:16 PM 834 Views
instead it should be decided by judges who answer to no one? *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:12:59 AM 465 Views
The same judges who upheld our private right to bear arms. Tom - 05/08/2010 02:09:07 PM 935 Views
not when judges stop using the Constitution random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:30:51 PM 913 Views
Sexual preference is not the right being protected. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:22:04 PM 981 Views
I know that the 14th amendment is routinely used in ways it was never intended. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:25:07 PM 887 Views
I realize that, but it is ultimately a good thing. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:31:19 PM 956 Views
I am really on the fence a bit on the whole issue random thoughts - 05/08/2010 06:00:59 PM 925 Views
I generally agree with you. Tom - 05/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 915 Views
let's take away the citizenship of all black people if that's the way you think moondog - 05/08/2010 09:06:23 PM 824 Views
Come now lets not be stupid random thoughts - 06/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 783 Views
sorry but your statement was completely ignorant. moondog - 06/08/2010 07:27:09 PM 895 Views
I will talk as soon as you stop spouting stupid rhetoric and say something relevant random thoughts - 06/08/2010 07:54:09 PM 866 Views
bullshit. you will personally attack me no matter what i say. moondog - 07/08/2010 02:04:04 PM 908 Views
Let's just be clear about which amendment is which. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:50:57 PM 826 Views
but that still ignores intent and expands the law in ways not intnented when it created random thoughts - 06/08/2010 04:53:43 AM 833 Views
Yes, no, no, and no. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 05:29:09 AM 895 Views
there are serious flaws in your thinking here random thoughts - 06/08/2010 06:18:13 PM 964 Views
Your assertions continue to lack support. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 07:23:17 PM 995 Views
not all you just refuse to see things you disagree with random thoughts - 06/08/2010 08:36:32 PM 946 Views
...said the pot to the kettle Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 09:17:28 PM 1030 Views
yes but a shiny stainless steel pot random thoughts - 09/08/2010 11:21:33 PM 1091 Views
You continue to be wrong about history and the role of courts. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 01:05:39 AM 1429 Views
If he's wrong, a lot of law scholars and Supreme Court Justices are wrong. Legolas - 10/08/2010 01:44:05 AM 862 Views
Brown vs. Board of Education, 'nuff said. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:32:37 AM 457 Views
Actually, that only proves his point, if I understand correctly. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:11:19 AM 485 Views
part oif the problem appears to be you completely missing the point random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:23:19 PM 1078 Views
let my simplify my argument random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:42:47 PM 804 Views
There's a simple way to determine the degree to which that opinion is objective or subjective... Legolas - 06/08/2010 09:32:21 PM 838 Views
Since when is marriage a right? *NM* Jeordam - 05/08/2010 04:11:16 PM 442 Views
it may not be a "right"... LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:22:44 PM 819 Views
This is where the debate comes into play.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:04:08 PM 833 Views
How much would it change the debate if it was nurture, really? Legolas - 05/08/2010 09:48:22 PM 890 Views
except this is not merely a matter of changing society LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:18:48 PM 913 Views
1948. *NM* jh - 05/08/2010 04:50:30 PM 505 Views
It's a benefit that is being extended selectively to one set of the populace. Tom - 05/08/2010 04:52:52 PM 900 Views
Hey, I'm single.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:05:41 PM 831 Views
That's a specious argument and you know it. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 PM 882 Views
A homosexual has every opportunity as well..... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:23:56 PM 828 Views
Oh quit the bullshit already. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:29:15 PM 1078 Views
Slow your role... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 09:08:54 PM 947 Views
Your religious beliefs have 100% to do with your position. Tom - 05/08/2010 09:43:23 PM 967 Views
Sorry, but what a nonsense. ironclad - 05/08/2010 09:27:17 PM 817 Views
hey that's it, jens! you solved the WHOLE PROBLEM!!! LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:24:29 PM 942 Views
ON TO WORLD HUNGER! ironclad - 06/08/2010 07:59:51 AM 851 Views
LET THEM HAVE CAEK. *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 02:29:56 PM 436 Views
Are you sure it's wise to feed people on a lie? *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 02:34:26 PM 519 Views
People are fed lies all the time LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:30:37 PM 828 Views
Quite so, but I don't think it's commonly a mainstay of their diet *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 09:50:33 PM 465 Views
It is the only thing which is abundant enough for everyone to have some... *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 10:01:44 PM 718 Views
I agree with you Sareitha Sedai - 05/08/2010 05:06:40 PM 871 Views
That's not valid. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:26:50 PM 885 Views
I invite you to read the judge's conclusions, linked again inside. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:43:44 PM 941 Views
Since 1948 Napoleon62 - 06/08/2010 04:01:02 AM 1065 Views
gah. can. only. see. typo. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 03:43:21 PM 425 Views
I don't see any typo... *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:07:18 PM 485 Views
Open the link. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 04:47:04 PM 579 Views
Oh, right. Yeah, that does kinda detract from things. *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:48:47 PM 466 Views
I agree random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:22:17 AM 890 Views
And Civil Rights lost the Democrats the South. Dannymac - 05/08/2010 03:44:56 PM 897 Views
but it was done by congress passing laws and the president signing those laws random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:20:19 PM 838 Views
uhm, what? LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:24:43 PM 851 Views
those were mostly rulings up holding laws not stiking them down random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:05:15 PM 918 Views
I was under the impression that the supreme court had a role in it snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:31:51 PM 838 Views
but the court was not over turning the laws passed by congress random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:11:06 PM 904 Views
No, like in this case, isn't it? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 05:24:19 PM 809 Views
I would say that is another case of judicial activism and shows the danger of the practice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:43:02 PM 797 Views
Which one is? I imagine from different view points both are. snoopcester - 06/08/2010 10:34:11 AM 789 Views
The law wasn't constitutional. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:17:04 AM 819 Views
well it will take a higher court to decide that random thoughts - 09/08/2010 10:46:15 PM 860 Views
Hard to believe it's the same governor who said "Gay marriage should be between a man and a woman." *NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/08/2010 11:05:45 PM 530 Views
Or "Iff it bleeds we can kill itt!" *NM* ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:14:45 PM 510 Views
Another step in the right direction. *NM* snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:08:15 PM 531 Views
Link to the full court order inside: Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:43:29 PM 1042 Views
The judge quoting Scalia in favour of gay marriage is fairly amusing. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:50:47 PM 883 Views
What page was that on? Tim - 05/08/2010 11:25:49 AM 797 Views
Nah, it was way above page 109, in the findings of fact somewhere. Legolas - 05/08/2010 12:37:48 PM 912 Views
Oh, that is brilliant. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:12:21 PM 826 Views
Pretty much. Legolas - 05/08/2010 01:44:22 PM 961 Views
I've always wondered what basis there is for banning necrophilia if "it's disgusting" is invalid. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:51:19 PM 902 Views
because you cannot give consent when you are dead? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:04:46 PM 904 Views
what if you give consent while you are still alive? random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:21:59 PM 971 Views
Is it then illegal? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:23:46 PM 895 Views
given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:33:11 PM 964 Views
Re: given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:34:57 PM 1013 Views
I would think it would be illegal even then random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:34:31 PM 903 Views
Wikipedia to the rescue! Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:20:15 PM 1075 Views
you would hope the other states would cover it under improper treatmentof human remains random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:38:59 PM 862 Views
A dead body is just an object, not a person with rights. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:27:08 PM 894 Views
Yes, but Camilla - 06/08/2010 08:42:05 AM 850 Views
Absolutely not. Tom - 06/08/2010 03:21:14 PM 905 Views
not to mention necrophilia has a large potential to be hazardous to health. LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:42:43 PM 994 Views
That was a very well written judgement. Tim - 05/08/2010 11:24:38 AM 895 Views
Tom - 05/08/2010 12:10:02 AM 904 Views
Totally agree. Rebekah - 05/08/2010 01:01:42 PM 937 Views
+1 *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 03:42:08 PM 477 Views
Irrelevant decision.....this was heading to SCOTUS from day 1 *NM* trzaska2000 - 05/08/2010 12:53:26 AM 485 Views
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