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well put *NM* Camilla Send a noteboard - 29/08/2010 06:57:45 PM
I'd like you to find even ten examples where a Church has been used as a recruiting ground for terrorist groups in the last ten years.

If you can't, then quite frankly your analogy is both false and purposely misleading.

After the Oklahoma City bombings a lot of different militia groups with far right Christian ideologies sprang up thinking it was the end of the world and the government was going to round them up and throw them in concentration camps. These groups were often quite violent-minded and had the clear intention of performing violence against the government. There were several arrests in Michigan near where I live, one group was going to blow up an expressway. The newest incarnation of these whack jobs are the Hutaree, but really the Hutaree aren't all that different form the groups that sprang up in the 90s.

You may call people like them and Fred Phelps fringe or radicals yet they all practice Christianity and operate as Christians with ideologies THEY seem to find in the Bible. The fact is, it happens in every religion. The Hews have their radicals, the Hindus and Buddhists have their radical (Buddhists invented suicide bombing), and Christians and Muslims do too.

Again, the best way to avoid radical ideologies is to discuss the new mosque/s with the leaders of the group and make sure they are on the up and up and then help them integrate into the community. Instead, in many places no one in the community is even talking to them or discussing what it is they want to do there, they are just protesting because of some rumor that bunches of mosques are centers for radicalization - something pretty much not true.

Then again, scared people historically typically act stupid. I guess some things never do change.
*MySmiley*
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This message last edited by Camilla on 29/08/2010 at 07:11:07 PM
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Arson at future Islamic Center site 'takes it to a whole new level' - 29/08/2010 04:54:42 AM 1310 Views
Don't get too worried. Not every mosque in America is under attack. Take a breath - 29/08/2010 06:25:31 AM 736 Views
Re: Don't get too worried. Not every mosque in America is under attack. Take a breath - 29/08/2010 08:33:10 AM 741 Views
You have to be kidding. Or I wish you were anyway. - 29/08/2010 03:13:42 PM 757 Views
I think this is what she is refering to - 29/08/2010 03:39:41 PM 934 Views
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That was incredibly vague. Fence sitter. *NM* - 29/08/2010 07:37:47 PM 282 Views
churches temples and mosqes are often vandalized all of the country - 29/08/2010 07:58:15 PM 625 Views
*NM* - 29/08/2010 12:24:14 PM 361 Views
I agree. A new way of life. the place you want to feel safe. - 30/08/2010 02:29:41 AM 674 Views
It's unfortunate. - 29/08/2010 02:41:08 PM 789 Views
Re: It's unfortunate. - 29/08/2010 02:58:29 PM 738 Views
I don't think it's that simple. - 29/08/2010 03:45:44 PM 630 Views
And you just missed my point completely. - 29/08/2010 04:00:59 PM 740 Views
I won't bother. - 29/08/2010 11:19:17 PM 677 Views
An epiphany - 29/08/2010 11:33:19 PM 744 Views
those facts are not that easy to find - 29/08/2010 10:56:55 PM 807 Views
Are there no books in America? *NM* - 29/08/2010 10:59:00 PM 296 Views
public libraries are a socialist conspiracy *NM* - 30/08/2010 01:22:33 AM 284 Views
Lots of those books show the history of Islam... - 30/08/2010 01:24:34 AM 781 Views
you mean - 30/08/2010 01:27:04 AM 677 Views
Re: you mean - 30/08/2010 01:29:35 AM 719 Views
Re: you mean - 30/08/2010 01:32:01 AM 696 Views
Re: you mean - 30/08/2010 02:07:19 AM 732 Views
Yes - 30/08/2010 12:47:29 PM 706 Views
congrats! - 30/08/2010 03:29:41 AM 800 Views
what a well thought out reply *NM* - 30/08/2010 03:18:40 PM 280 Views
I thought her reply was too short too, but she does have a point. - 30/08/2010 04:23:01 PM 894 Views
Replies are short for a reason. - 30/08/2010 07:46:20 PM 688 Views
apperantly Fox News - 30/08/2010 08:32:28 PM 675 Views
heheheheheeheheheeheHEHAHEHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAaheheheheheheh - 30/08/2010 08:35:19 PM 720 Views
it would be funny if most liberals didn't really believe it was true - 30/08/2010 08:49:58 PM 693 Views
how about the thousands upon thousands of Muslims who haven't done anything? *NM* - 30/08/2010 08:51:36 PM 311 Views
lets make that millions upon millions. *NM* - 30/08/2010 11:20:32 PM 278 Views
Pfft - 30/08/2010 11:38:34 PM 717 Views
And my point was that maybe people need to get off their duffs - 31/08/2010 12:39:42 AM 694 Views
Re: those facts are not that easy to find - 30/08/2010 01:16:09 AM 710 Views
Now aisha, you know full well you're personally responsible for all of the middle east. - 30/08/2010 12:29:36 PM 720 Views
well she hasn't done much to sell the idea that Muslims are moderate *NM* - 30/08/2010 04:19:40 PM 322 Views
umm ok. *NM* - 30/08/2010 06:50:51 PM 315 Views
but she does not represent Islam. - 30/08/2010 07:12:20 PM 608 Views
less fallacious than claiming the country xenophobic because some morons torched a bulldozer *NM* - 30/08/2010 08:51:50 PM 266 Views
I think that would be 'equally' fallacious. *NM* - 31/08/2010 05:29:38 AM 295 Views
perception is reality in politics - 30/08/2010 04:18:59 PM 775 Views
Sure they are, you just can't cherry pick your sourcess. - 02/09/2010 04:20:20 PM 881 Views
Wow - that's paranoid - 29/08/2010 03:00:09 PM 748 Views
That's absurd. - 29/08/2010 03:47:31 PM 718 Views
how're you defining terrorist? - 29/08/2010 04:05:23 PM 729 Views
You are too young to remember the Christian Militia groups of the 1990s here in America. - 29/08/2010 06:51:55 PM 765 Views
well put *NM* - 29/08/2010 06:57:45 PM 753 Views
agreed. *NM* - 29/08/2010 07:04:14 PM 295 Views
That isn't a valid comparison - 29/08/2010 10:39:32 PM 741 Views
It's really not - 30/08/2010 03:25:07 AM 662 Views
Facts? - 30/08/2010 05:53:17 AM 676 Views
Your mind is already made up - no sense confusing you with facts - 31/08/2010 03:34:26 PM 784 Views
There are approximately 1,400 mosques in the U.S. Please name me 14 that have radicalized people. - 29/08/2010 06:41:39 PM 774 Views
14? Easy - 29/08/2010 07:31:24 PM 791 Views
Er... - 29/08/2010 08:01:50 PM 644 Views
Yeah, not a very subtle name - 29/08/2010 08:34:53 PM 697 Views
Re: Yeah, not a very subtle name - 30/08/2010 03:21:54 AM 746 Views
Re: Yeah, not a very subtle name - 30/08/2010 04:31:09 AM 797 Views
Re: It's unfortunate. - 30/08/2010 09:51:10 AM 1021 Views
Re: It's unfortunate. - 30/08/2010 02:33:29 PM 824 Views

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