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as an additional thought.... LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 06/10/2010 04:09:57 AM
Is it even entirely legal for a fire department to deny aid? I put forth this question based on an implied right to property, and the assumption within society that the fire department is there to protect both people's lives AND their property.

While, as far as I know, firemen take no vows, this is similar to the set of assumptions that created law for doctors to save a person's life in an emergency even if they do not want to or will not be paid.

These firemen, essentially, denied this man his right to property by standing by and doing nothing when they had the full ability to assist.
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firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee moondog - 06/10/2010 02:35:20 AM 2463 Views
what kind of bullshit is that? Aisha - 06/10/2010 03:19:12 AM 1477 Views
And that brings up another point. What if there had been someone in there? Ghavrel - 06/10/2010 04:03:49 AM 1401 Views
as i said before, they probably would have just rescued them then let the house burn. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:11:24 AM 1398 Views
Why are you trivializing those "precious resources?" Aemon - 06/10/2010 04:56:13 AM 1507 Views
except we aren't talking about "people" or a "business" LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:03:18 AM 1496 Views
It's slightly different. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:20:55 AM 1313 Views
I'm not against the fee. The fee makes sense. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:24:39 AM 1493 Views
How does the fee makes sense? Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:27:30 AM 1389 Views
they were at the scene to put out the portion of the fire that spread to the neighbors. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:28:35 AM 1383 Views
I completely agree with Aeryn. Her points in this discussion have been thought out and well put. *NM* Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:25:47 AM 690 Views
We ARE talking about a business. Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:33:40 AM 1265 Views
actually, that's exactly what happens to hospitals. they shut down. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:36:28 AM 1378 Views
i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:36:52 AM 1335 Views
Re: i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:42:00 AM 1326 Views
if a doctor refuses to aid a dying patient, he'll lose his license, for one. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:48:18 AM 1494 Views
Re: Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:59:03 AM 1321 Views
YES!!! Thank you!! LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:06:29 AM 1226 Views
that's how hospitals get shut down. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:43:13 AM 1375 Views
In this case, the hard line of letting people suffer the logical consequences is the moral thing Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:53:51 AM 1287 Views
I presume you meant to reply to me LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:05:18 AM 1252 Views
I didn't know that there had been a first time. That makes their "forgetting" even more disgusting. Tashmere - 06/10/2010 06:15:11 AM 1248 Views
and it makes the fire department inconsistent, setting false expectations. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:18:39 AM 1375 Views
This is why goverment must be tolerated *NM* Roland00 - 06/10/2010 03:30:52 AM 638 Views
Not trying to be a troll, but this seems (mostly) reasonable. Aemon - 06/10/2010 03:44:53 AM 1482 Views
on the other hand, how ethical is it to watch someone's home and pets burn and do nothing? LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 03:58:27 AM 1367 Views
So that tool who didn't want to pay his fee most likely because he never thought he would need to... callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 03:25:12 PM 1433 Views
in rural areas, not typically, no. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:36:18 PM 1226 Views
Re: on the other hand, how ethical is it to watch someone's home and pets burn and do nothing? Bored - 06/10/2010 06:33:57 PM 1910 Views
at that point, you're right, they may not have been able to save the animals LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:38:45 PM 1242 Views
the owner says he called after using a garden hose was unsuccessful to put the fire out moondog - 07/10/2010 03:08:03 AM 1325 Views
And running the govt this way is stupid for it leads to worse results, it is no better than SoN Roland00 - 06/10/2010 04:02:02 AM 1318 Views
You are a post ninja. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/10/2010 04:02:51 AM 530 Views
It makes sense from a business standpoint. But that's precisely why we socialize these things. Ghavrel - 06/10/2010 04:02:25 AM 1625 Views
as an additional thought.... LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:09:57 AM 1215 Views
Apparently being poor wasn't a problem as he offered to pay whatever it takes. He gambled and lost. *NM* Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:11:40 AM 655 Views
you shouldn't have to be gambling on whether a public service will be given. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:20:40 AM 1264 Views
No, the rural county's position is ridiculous. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:21:27 AM 1355 Views
their position is ridiculous too. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:22:33 AM 1320 Views
You liberals and your Big Brother. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:09:15 AM 1234 Views
That's abominable. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:03:18 AM 1382 Views
Re: That's abominable. callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 03:33:33 PM 1290 Views
I've been trying to figure out what I think for a few hours now. nossy - 06/10/2010 04:24:35 AM 1316 Views
It wasn't bureacracy, it was his CHOICE. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 04:30:22 AM 1344 Views
I believe the specific reason was "forgot". That's different. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:47:38 AM 1330 Views
Why the double quotes then? Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:11:37 AM 1346 Views
doesn't sound like he intentionally didn't pay it with what you said. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:18:26 AM 1270 Views
The setup itself is wrong. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:25:13 AM 1273 Views
you can't buy insurance after the fact... LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:27:40 AM 1195 Views
Yes, they should have a new policy that accounts for this brouhaha situation. Vivien - 13/12/2011 06:21:30 PM 1267 Views
Other than anarchists (read: idiots), who seriously argues against socialized police/firefighting? *NM* Ghavrel - 06/10/2010 05:20:39 AM 599 Views
Apparently the idiots that set it up so that the rural people were not covered by a fire department. *NM* Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:37:31 AM 622 Views
We just found one: Aemon. *NM* Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:37:46 AM 614 Views
Meh. Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:47:40 AM 1238 Views
why? *points up* *NM* Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:51:06 AM 605 Views
How far up? Which post are you referring to? I don't understand your "why." *NM* Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:55:36 AM 665 Views
she is referring to the house burning down because someone did not pay a fee. *NM* LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:59:03 AM 632 Views
Yes. I was answering your question of "why" - this news story is the why. *NM* Aeryn - 06/10/2010 06:00:56 AM 584 Views
Oh, I see. Aemon - 06/10/2010 06:05:52 AM 1268 Views
Fires don't just happen because people set them up themselves Floffe - 06/10/2010 11:34:05 AM 1411 Views
We have a government do these things for Market Failures exist. *NM* Roland00 - 06/10/2010 12:46:25 PM 640 Views
When one is poor, things like that become less of a "choice." nossy - 06/10/2010 12:47:08 PM 1241 Views
*Big Edit* I was spreading false information. (Please read edit at the bottom.) People should not Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:22:07 AM 1351 Views
and why was it so impossible for him to pay late or pay extra? LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:26:39 AM 1364 Views
Because the fire departments costs have to be paid continually. They need the steady income Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:33:34 AM 1275 Views
Re: Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:47:35 AM 1416 Views
Why not? Isn't that what freedom is about? Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:58:24 AM 1282 Views
I'm not free to die. I'm not even free to smoke weed. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 06:07:17 AM 1336 Views
Practicality is indeed the answer. Aemon - 06/10/2010 06:32:24 AM 1318 Views
your model is impractical though moondog - 06/10/2010 08:46:19 AM 1315 Views
Okay. I'm going to phrase this more explicately with a handy dandy vet comparison LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:32:45 AM 1428 Views
because then no one would pay until their house burned. Aeryn - 06/10/2010 05:34:52 AM 1274 Views
if this was a less severe fire, I would agree with both you and Tash entirely. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:40:51 AM 1240 Views
Risk to other properties is not a good argument. They DID come out to prevent that. *NM* Aemon - 06/10/2010 05:54:19 AM 678 Views
that is not prevention, that is treatment. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:56:16 AM 1287 Views
Re: that is not prevention, that is treatment. Aemon - 06/10/2010 06:00:44 AM 1228 Views
they may be better at doing the actual fire fighting... LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 06:14:18 AM 1247 Views
Speaking of prevention why were they letting their grandson burn trash? They were endangering Tashmere - 06/10/2010 06:02:12 AM 1320 Views
it's very popular in the country to burn your trash instead of hauling it to a dump moondog - 06/10/2010 08:51:55 AM 1356 Views
Surely they know to prepare the area around the burn area by clearing away anything that might catch Tashmere - 06/10/2010 02:51:38 PM 1141 Views
One would assume so and that they did snoopcester - 06/10/2010 03:01:50 PM 1296 Views
i'm sure they told the wind not to blow in that area for a couple days too... moondog - 06/10/2010 04:12:03 PM 1344 Views
Even when you are camping you are supposed to clear the area within twenty feet of the fire of Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:24:21 PM 1217 Views
all it takes is one piece of bad luck and "FOOSH" you're engulfed in flames moondog - 07/10/2010 04:11:49 PM 1061 Views
Especially if you leave the fire to go take a shower. Tashmere - 08/10/2010 12:17:57 PM 1331 Views
That is what you do in the country Roland00 - 06/10/2010 01:16:04 PM 1221 Views
The problem is... ironclad - 06/10/2010 09:11:59 AM 1297 Views
Re: The problem is... nossy - 06/10/2010 12:40:05 PM 1352 Views
Re: The problem is... snoopcester - 06/10/2010 02:27:30 PM 1400 Views
Re: The problem is... nossy - 06/10/2010 04:13:43 PM 1338 Views
Re: The problem is... snoopcester - 06/10/2010 04:23:49 PM 1379 Views
I just read that too. It does change my attitude. If he had always paid before and truly did forget Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:27:56 PM 1253 Views
I've been wondering how old he is too. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:30:20 PM 1184 Views
Also they had been out of town. It was actually easy to see how it could have been overlooked. Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:33:04 PM 1311 Views
Well it is something we don't know, though we have the family saying it snoopcester - 06/10/2010 11:05:19 PM 1379 Views
You are making an assumption that isn't proven by the evidence you use there snoopcester - 06/10/2010 11:34:05 AM 1229 Views
You are right. I did open my mouth before hearing both sides of the story. This information does Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:30:23 PM 1372 Views
it's okay that's what the internet is good for, mindless rage ranting LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:32:33 PM 1184 Views
No. It isn't okay. I despise it when other people do that. It is worse when I catch myself doing it. Tashmere - 06/10/2010 10:45:03 PM 1234 Views
Actually nossy - 07/10/2010 02:03:52 AM 1252 Views
seriously. We chatted on facebook, tashy. you were MOST reasonable. LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 02:12:38 AM 1239 Views
What I was doing was repeating what others had said as fact rather than checking out the sources. Tashmere - 07/10/2010 02:56:21 AM 1133 Views
i like my idea below of the city setting up an automatic-payment system for subscribers. LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 03:02:36 AM 1350 Views
Well we do all do it snoopcester - 06/10/2010 11:06:10 PM 1307 Views
The is a problem wirth that argument random thoughts - 06/10/2010 02:55:28 PM 1253 Views
Erm Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2010 04:46:17 PM 1334 Views
that is true random thoughts - 06/10/2010 05:19:24 PM 1252 Views
And another thing. Many rural areas choose to have volunteer fire departments. This is an option. Tashmere - 06/10/2010 05:41:20 AM 1366 Views
And people wonder why I'm not a Libertarian. Joel - 06/10/2010 06:03:55 AM 1315 Views
from the onion.... moondog - 06/10/2010 08:53:36 AM 1220 Views
They're next after the lawyers, right? Joel - 06/10/2010 09:41:34 AM 1218 Views
Yeah, that's why I always use the 'pragmatic libertarian' descriptor Isaac - 06/10/2010 09:54:48 AM 1285 Views
That I can respect and understand. Joel - 06/10/2010 10:08:19 AM 1293 Views
Re: That I can respect and understand. Isaac - 06/10/2010 10:37:16 AM 1262 Views
Re: That I can respect and understand. Joel - 06/10/2010 11:19:26 AM 1228 Views
What you are describing is an anarchist Roland00 - 06/10/2010 12:37:05 PM 1427 Views
It often seems to devolve into semantics. Joel - 06/10/2010 01:01:19 PM 1397 Views
Sigh I feel like I am arguing with the devil Roland00 - 06/10/2010 01:12:49 PM 1336 Views
Only my impression, as an outsider. Joel - 06/10/2010 01:29:56 PM 1322 Views
This is not a "libertarian" fire department... Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 02:14:03 PM 1239 Views
Libertarian/=non-government. Joel - 06/10/2010 02:16:10 PM 1234 Views
I think you mean not equal to... Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 02:28:30 PM 1468 Views
In a way the article does speak to that, just not in the way I first thought. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:06:20 AM 1242 Views
please use != or <> or =/= not your crazy invented symbolism moondog - 07/10/2010 07:38:31 AM 1187 Views
I didn't invent it. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:15:23 AM 1320 Views
Or you could use the correct sign &ne; since RAFO does unicode properly Floffe - 07/10/2010 09:51:39 AM 1258 Views
You're right; I keep forgetting that, sorry. Joel - 07/10/2010 12:57:36 PM 1166 Views
come on, you didn't learn anything from compsci in high school?? moondog - 07/10/2010 04:09:48 PM 1257 Views
Which one does Turbo Pascal use? Joel - 07/10/2010 04:14:50 PM 1377 Views
Turbo Pascal is about as dead as Fortran at this point Wulf`gar - 07/10/2010 04:32:01 PM 1212 Views
My mom still has Fortran manuals. And COBOL. Joel - 08/10/2010 12:02:21 PM 1127 Views
A quick search shows Pascal using <> Wulf`gar - 08/10/2010 03:15:47 PM 1314 Views
Huh, missed that. Joel - 08/10/2010 03:18:40 PM 1114 Views
Not relevant to how it acted in this case though *NM* snoopcester - 06/10/2010 02:23:06 PM 573 Views
I see no issue with it... Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 02:26:46 PM 1332 Views
I'm not sure if you meant this as a reply to me? *NM* snoopcester - 06/10/2010 02:32:39 PM 694 Views
Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 02:57:37 PM 1290 Views
Oh that is easy. snoopcester - 06/10/2010 03:04:04 PM 1370 Views
This better conveys what I was trying to say--this is a government problem Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 06:27:03 PM 1282 Views
I still don't agree snoopcester - 06/10/2010 07:16:19 PM 1263 Views
If it were really a market-based decision... Wulf`gar - 06/10/2010 08:00:29 PM 1361 Views
Re: If it were really a market-based decision... snoopcester - 06/10/2010 08:35:55 PM 1218 Views
Refer hence. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:39:42 AM 1323 Views
You are living in the past snoopcester - 07/10/2010 02:10:06 PM 1216 Views
County government tends to be VERY limited over here. Joel - 07/10/2010 03:16:45 PM 1338 Views
I was expecting SELMA Hayek next to a burning house. Perhaps in a sheer dress, backlit. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:35:38 AM 1276 Views
The argument against privately run fire departments is kind of sad BlackAdder - 06/10/2010 08:24:26 PM 1402 Views
if anything, it's in a businesses FAVOR to show up to unsubsribed houses, depending on their policy. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:24:13 PM 1299 Views
Makes you wonder why people have insurance at all when it's cheaper to pay as you go. Joel - 07/10/2010 09:46:57 AM 1316 Views
This a situation where you know there has to be a better way random thoughts - 06/10/2010 02:59:12 PM 1285 Views
Good luck with that. Joel - 07/10/2010 10:03:05 AM 1253 Views
some things should be done by the state and some by private organizations random thoughts - 07/10/2010 02:38:01 PM 1382 Views
Does the state have authority to allocate county tax dollars? Joel - 07/10/2010 04:03:25 PM 1260 Views
you have spent enough time in East Texas that you should know better than that random thoughts - 07/10/2010 04:26:26 PM 1350 Views
In passing I'd like to note that this is a bizarre role reversal. Joel - 08/10/2010 10:52:09 AM 1250 Views
I am not against government just bad government *NM* random thoughts - 08/10/2010 02:38:26 PM 567 Views
I'll drink to that. Joel - 08/10/2010 02:42:12 PM 1255 Views
if it wasn't I might be a democrat *NM* random thoughts - 09/10/2010 04:43:35 PM 570 Views
Being a Democrat's SUPPOSED to mean you roll your sleeves up and fix it. Joel - 10/10/2010 03:06:24 AM 1243 Views
Sounds like a sound decision to me. Fuck 'em. Burning trash? Idiots. *NM* callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 03:16:53 PM 611 Views
I love when people demonstrate their ignorance while calling other people stupid random thoughts - 06/10/2010 04:37:52 PM 1339 Views
But really Amys - 07/10/2010 12:19:38 AM 1416 Views
that depends on how rural an area we are talking about random thoughts - 07/10/2010 01:48:03 AM 1263 Views
Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash. everynametaken - 07/10/2010 01:18:15 AM 1321 Views
Re: Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash. callandor1000 - 07/10/2010 01:31:51 PM 1293 Views
and you were in MAINE. LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 02:28:32 PM 1259 Views
and so you think that is the way they do it everywhere? random thoughts - 07/10/2010 02:41:09 PM 1209 Views
Re: and so you think that is the way they do it everywhere? callandor1000 - 09/10/2010 06:35:29 AM 1275 Views
Looks like it may be the law in Tennessee as well. Tashmere - 09/10/2010 12:17:52 PM 1312 Views
I think something is being missed here by many. callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 03:39:12 PM 1440 Views
Which is exactly why this whole contract / mayor / business talk is probably correct but insane ironclad - 06/10/2010 04:00:44 PM 1156 Views
I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 04:50:11 PM 1222 Views
I sort of did random thoughts - 06/10/2010 05:27:53 PM 1274 Views
I do agree with you LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:48:22 PM 1310 Views
Re: I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay. callandor1000 - 06/10/2010 06:26:54 PM 1297 Views
*sigh* no but this is not INSURANCE. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:42:05 PM 1318 Views
I'm betting no one will "forget" the fee anytime soon. Gher - 06/10/2010 04:57:38 PM 1394 Views
there can be less disasterous incentives to pay the fee. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 05:50:01 PM 1389 Views
And what consequence(s) can/do you enforce if the after-the-fact fee isn't paid? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2010 05:55:38 PM 620 Views
Triple the fee. Francie - 06/10/2010 06:16:03 PM 1280 Views
Tripling the premium fee is definitely not enough. I would think in terms of tripling the cost. Vivien - 13/12/2011 06:27:56 PM 1568 Views
Put the fire back in their house *NM* snoopcester - 06/10/2010 06:27:43 PM 627 Views
i'm assuming that a provision like this would be written into the policy. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:43:10 PM 1239 Views
So the house continues to burn while you are explaining this contract to the homeowner Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2010 08:08:00 PM 1300 Views
No, i mean in the original policy, not in something later signed. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:20:46 PM 1338 Views
For starters, put a lien on their home; governments routinely do that with unpaid fees. Joel - 07/10/2010 10:15:21 AM 1327 Views
The whole program is an incentive. Gher - 06/10/2010 07:13:45 PM 1168 Views
and by becoming a fireman, you accept an ethical obligation. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:45:47 PM 1263 Views
I'm not saying I like it. Gher - 07/10/2010 04:15:52 AM 1223 Views
*gigles* you said incentive... oh, you mean the pun wasn't intended? *NM* Helene - 09/12/2011 07:02:44 AM 577 Views
I haven't had my coffee yet. Sareitha Sedai - 09/12/2011 01:23:46 PM 1140 Views
It was a bit of a stretch, "incentive" is related etymology-wise with "to kindle" (incendere) *NM* Helene - 09/12/2011 04:36:02 PM 586 Views
Ah, I thought of "incendiary" and wondered if that was the case (that those words were related). Sareitha Sedai - 09/12/2011 05:13:13 PM 1139 Views
Re: firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee Macharius - 06/10/2010 06:05:45 PM 1404 Views
This. Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2010 08:27:54 PM 1424 Views
do we know exactly when the county stopped servicing them? LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 10:23:06 PM 1554 Views
They didn't have any service at all before twenty years ago. Then the city fire department offered Tashmere - 06/10/2010 11:05:37 PM 1213 Views
as a former firefighter, here's my opinion about this: Master Qui_John - 06/10/2010 07:09:15 PM 1466 Views
I am guessing they were told not to do it again. nossy - 06/10/2010 07:19:38 PM 1250 Views
bureaucracy ... Master Qui_John - 07/10/2010 09:08:25 AM 1337 Views
Re: bureaucracy ... nossy - 07/10/2010 11:46:12 AM 1447 Views
Now, John, your opinion as a professional firefighter is irrelevant here. LadyLorraine - 06/10/2010 07:47:41 PM 1341 Views
You FORGOT the MOST IMPORTANT part: Joel - 07/10/2010 10:10:17 AM 1308 Views
Outrageous. *NM* Legolas - 06/10/2010 07:11:43 PM 632 Views
That's shocking, to be honest BlackAdder - 06/10/2010 08:05:48 PM 1255 Views
My first question Amys - 06/10/2010 11:53:41 PM 1375 Views
I agree with some of what you said random thoughts - 07/10/2010 01:54:36 AM 1239 Views
*raises hand* speaking as someone who's participated in controlled prairie burning... LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 02:10:56 AM 1353 Views
I have seen uncontrolled prairie burning random thoughts - 07/10/2010 04:51:49 AM 1276 Views
Why would the animals be in the house if 911 was called before the fire ever reached the house? Tashmere - 07/10/2010 12:17:47 AM 1309 Views
That whole thing does seem strange to me as well snoopcester - 07/10/2010 02:51:02 PM 1414 Views
The reports also seem to contradict one another? Sareitha Sedai - 07/10/2010 02:55:59 PM 1297 Views
Yes, I noticed that snoopcester - 07/10/2010 03:21:43 PM 1294 Views
I can't believe the stupidity being spewed in this post. The solution is readily clear. everynametaken - 07/10/2010 01:32:01 AM 1479 Views
AMEN Aisha - 07/10/2010 03:16:41 AM 1479 Views
From details others have revealed, it's really not that simple. Joel - 07/10/2010 10:24:39 AM 1422 Views
Bullshit. It is that simple. everynametaken - 07/10/2010 10:59:34 AM 1318 Views
Ultimately, yes, but it would almost certainly end with a lien and lawsuit with this joker. Joel - 07/10/2010 01:53:20 PM 1263 Views
nonsense. by waiting, they created more costs for everyone. LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 02:32:36 PM 1300 Views
How so? They had to come put out one fire, period. Joel - 07/10/2010 03:21:51 PM 1219 Views
because if they had come out when he intially called, or even soon thereafter... LadyLorraine - 07/10/2010 09:07:21 PM 1361 Views
and that's not to mention the inevitable lawsuits this particular episode is going to spawn... *NM* moondog - 08/10/2010 04:52:44 AM 585 Views
Yes, they could've spared him a great deal of grief if they gave him free service. Joel - 08/10/2010 12:16:07 PM 1227 Views
Sounds like a bad system ßelals Girl - 07/10/2010 01:38:52 AM 1259 Views
Is it in bad taste to note that this thread is on fire...? Joel - 07/10/2010 12:58:48 PM 1326 Views
looks like i started.... a FIRESTORM! moondog - 07/10/2010 04:13:51 PM 1337 Views
http://bash.org/?349567 Joel - 07/10/2010 04:29:53 PM 1334 Views
It took about two hours for the fire to spread from the barrels to the house? How did they not get Tashmere - 09/10/2010 12:49:26 AM 1178 Views
Apparently, this has happened again Sareitha Sedai - 07/12/2011 09:05:20 PM 1124 Views
Funny, I was thinking of this thread when I read that this morning too *NM* Isaac - 07/12/2011 09:24:47 PM 543 Views
What I was thinking was "Joel... " *NM* TaskmasterJack - 08/12/2011 02:13:35 AM 605 Views
That too... *NM* Isaac - 08/12/2011 02:15:04 AM 585 Views
Honestly, those people sound like idiots. callandor1000 - 09/12/2011 03:11:27 AM 1182 Views
They do. Sareitha Sedai - 09/12/2011 01:25:49 PM 1233 Views
Or... everynametaken - 11/12/2011 05:10:19 AM 1188 Views
Re: Or... callandor1000 - 13/12/2011 02:31:16 AM 1191 Views
You are all crazy posting in this old thread! everynametaken - 11/12/2011 05:05:20 AM 1366 Views
Maybe Sareitha Sedai - 12/12/2011 12:27:33 AM 1215 Views
Re: Maybe callandor1000 - 13/12/2011 02:33:42 AM 1311 Views
I'm not sure they are being consistent though. Sareitha Sedai - 13/12/2011 06:33:23 PM 1057 Views
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