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I lost sleep over it, but I did it anyway. John Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 05:24:19 AM
I was legitimately unable to keep up with my mortgage payments when my loan went into default. I tried for many months to get the bank to work with me on a loan modification to no avail. Also, during that process representatives on the bank blatantly lied to me about the process. Right after the house went into forclosure I had a bit of a windfall and would have been able to catch up completely. I chose instead to pay off my credit cards and let the foreclosure continue. I had enough left over to get a hard money loan and buy another house.

Immoral: I'd say yes. I really felt bad about the whole thing. But to be honest, I don't lose sleep over it anymore. Looking back at my communications with the bank really helps to assuage any guilty feelings I may have had. The money I had could have been theirs if they wouldn't have been deceitful and completely unwilling to work with me.

Now I have an easy to afford house payment and am otherwise debt free. I have money in savings and I'm starting to invest in my future (I changed my 401K contributions to maximum and I'm also starting to invest on my own). Financially, it was a brilliant decision to let the bank forclose.
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Is walking away from a mortgage immoral? random thoughts - 12/10/2010 04:45:43 PM 1326 Views
Just as a contract is a two way street - SilverWarder - 12/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 822 Views
do we have a moral obligation to society? random thoughts - 12/10/2010 06:00:17 PM 812 Views
It's a good question SilverWarder - 14/10/2010 02:41:21 AM 733 Views
Sort of have to disagree... Antigone - 13/10/2010 02:52:07 AM 762 Views
That's not true actually SilverWarder - 14/10/2010 02:35:43 AM 710 Views
Of course it's immoral. Sareitha Sedai - 12/10/2010 05:13:16 PM 792 Views
But does one sided morality work? random thoughts - 12/10/2010 05:38:56 PM 903 Views
You asked about the morality of walking away when the borrower still has the ability to pay. Sareitha Sedai - 12/10/2010 07:31:10 PM 715 Views
A company or organization cannot act morally or immorally? I strongly disagree. *NM* Legolas - 12/10/2010 07:50:42 PM 365 Views
No, it cannot. However the individuals making the decisions for the company can. *NM* Cannoli - 12/10/2010 08:48:23 PM 306 Views
If banks can not behave in moral manner why should people be expected to behave in moral manner? random thoughts - 12/10/2010 08:07:56 PM 783 Views
I'm not absolved of my obligations based on the bad behaviors of others. Sareitha Sedai - 12/10/2010 08:25:33 PM 689 Views
but who you owe obligations to is a factor random thoughts - 12/10/2010 09:03:04 PM 744 Views
Because it's their moral obligation. Morality is not a trade, you act morally because it is right Cannoli - 12/10/2010 08:47:41 PM 873 Views
you also use reason and logic to decide where your loyalty rest random thoughts - 12/10/2010 09:16:51 PM 777 Views
You have not explained how it IS the banks' fault Cannoli - 15/10/2010 01:30:10 PM 807 Views
That's the only kind of morality there is! What the hell is wrong with you? Cannoli - 12/10/2010 08:15:55 PM 738 Views
nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again random thoughts - 12/10/2010 09:34:33 PM 734 Views
Re: nothing wrong with me but I think you are off your meds again Cannoli - 15/10/2010 02:50:49 PM 1230 Views
well I really can't argue with the wrong is wrong end of story belief system random thoughts - 15/10/2010 05:40:22 PM 931 Views
A contract isn't a promise; it's a legal agreement. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/10/2010 06:25:24 PM 386 Views
Which is why contracts have to be pages and pages long and combed over by bloodsucking lawyers. LiterateDog - 12/10/2010 06:39:18 PM 763 Views
I would agree with you if contracts didn't provide for breaking them. Ghavrel - 12/10/2010 07:33:15 PM 628 Views
Hrm. Sareitha Sedai - 12/10/2010 07:35:38 PM 830 Views
did you take a personal oath in front of god and your loved ones to pay the loan back? *NM* random thoughts - 12/10/2010 08:09:07 PM 373 Views
Let's assume we're talking about a marriage where no such oath was taken... *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/10/2010 08:10:54 PM 389 Views
if there is no oath of fidelity then straying would not be immoral *NM* random thoughts - 12/10/2010 08:40:53 PM 360 Views
It's not immoral to break the marriage contract. Ghavrel - 12/10/2010 08:19:50 PM 893 Views
I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. Sareitha Sedai - 12/10/2010 08:37:52 PM 792 Views
Re: I don't see that as the flaw in my logic. Ghavrel - 12/10/2010 09:00:00 PM 884 Views
also random thoughts - 12/10/2010 09:37:38 PM 724 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever. Tim - 13/10/2010 11:38:06 PM 856 Views
That must be why they have you sign something called an agreementory note *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/10/2010 07:33:32 PM 386 Views
Exactly *NM* Cannoli - 12/10/2010 07:58:25 PM 365 Views
So, you think bankruptcy laws are immoral? everynametaken - 13/10/2010 12:18:43 AM 780 Views
I don't think it's immoral at all. The contract usually specifies penalties for breach. Tom - 12/10/2010 05:28:34 PM 866 Views
I thought the answer might be something like that. *NM* Rebekah - 12/10/2010 05:35:35 PM 353 Views
that is close to the way I see it random thoughts - 12/10/2010 05:45:25 PM 712 Views
It's both legal and immoral. LiterateDog - 12/10/2010 06:37:49 PM 800 Views
You didn't mention the third party Roland00 - 12/10/2010 08:26:56 PM 650 Views
in a way I did since I did mention society random thoughts - 12/10/2010 08:54:07 PM 802 Views
Thus the edit Roland00 - 12/10/2010 09:10:53 PM 826 Views
either way I think you made a good point *NM* random thoughts - 12/10/2010 09:38:58 PM 349 Views
will those neighbors... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:52:26 AM 929 Views
All depends where you get your morals from, really. Nebhead - 12/10/2010 08:28:41 PM 778 Views
I guess what i was trying to ask, at least in part random thoughts - 12/10/2010 09:48:24 PM 749 Views
What if you look at it from the other perspective? Sareitha Sedai - 12/10/2010 09:00:20 PM 785 Views
do you think they would if they had a legal way to do it? random thoughts - 12/10/2010 10:04:57 PM 776 Views
Good point. *NM* Tashmere - 12/10/2010 11:10:26 PM 369 Views
Sure, you could do that. Aeryn - 13/10/2010 01:54:55 AM 804 Views
The problem is that you're buying something today and paying for it for the next 15/30/50 years. Sareitha Sedai - 13/10/2010 03:04:26 PM 685 Views
Much like the concept of morality itself. Gaps - 12/10/2010 11:47:23 PM 718 Views
I find this line particularly interesting. everynametaken - 13/10/2010 12:13:18 AM 743 Views
Dunno. nossy - 13/10/2010 12:56:56 AM 845 Views
As a professional in financial services - no, it is not. Aeryn - 13/10/2010 01:44:18 AM 751 Views
but almost nobody sees it that way random thoughts - 13/10/2010 12:53:25 PM 757 Views
Is the deal that if you default, the bank gets the house and nothing else, though? Legolas - 13/10/2010 02:40:48 PM 744 Views
yes but the bank has a limited ability to collect random thoughts - 13/10/2010 02:47:34 PM 653 Views
I think it's morally wrong to walk away from credit card debt. *NM* Aeryn - 13/10/2010 09:43:11 PM 360 Views
I'm curious how you reconcile that Sareitha Sedai - 13/10/2010 09:47:59 PM 770 Views
Collateral Aeryn - 19/10/2010 07:21:14 PM 1271 Views
I agree, what do you think is different? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:59:36 PM 778 Views
The difference is that the bank owns the house. Whereas when I buy stuff, it's mine. *NM* Aeryn - 19/10/2010 07:05:34 PM 345 Views
I too am unable to work out what distinguishes the two situations. Tim - 13/10/2010 11:54:15 PM 704 Views
I lost sleep over it, but I did it anyway. John - 13/10/2010 05:24:19 AM 835 Views
OK what if you take it a step further random thoughts - 13/10/2010 03:44:30 PM 783 Views
Good question John - 14/10/2010 05:13:41 AM 804 Views
I have some questions about this issue. MightyYT - 13/10/2010 08:14:37 AM 764 Views
how do those questions affect the morality of the situation? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 03:20:14 PM 723 Views
Obviously, the essential difference is can't pay versus won't pay. Elaine - 13/10/2010 02:16:07 PM 723 Views
are you socializing your debt when it is a private bank? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 03:14:48 PM 781 Views
You are when said bank requires a bailout. And very many of them do. Elaine - 13/10/2010 03:22:59 PM 745 Views
it is the home fault that the banks have to be bailed out random thoughts - 13/10/2010 03:49:37 PM 801 Views
I believe it immoral to do harm. Macharius - 13/10/2010 04:38:28 PM 821 Views
I really don't understand a system where this could be an advantage. Tim - 13/10/2010 11:16:57 PM 755 Views
There's generally something like a 7 or 10 year limit on credit reporting here. LiterateDog - 13/10/2010 11:46:58 PM 776 Views
What's the use of suing someone who has no money? *NM* Tim - 13/10/2010 11:48:47 PM 419 Views
You can garnish their wages. LiterateDog - 13/10/2010 11:49:36 PM 740 Views
With parsley? Rebekah - 13/10/2010 11:51:37 PM 819 Views
No, "someone" most certainly did not, wicked young Miss! Hmph! *NM* LiterateDog - 13/10/2010 11:52:40 PM 407 Views
If they suddenly come into some, you're entitled to it. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 14/10/2010 12:07:34 AM 483 Views
Bit of a long shot. *NM* Tim - 14/10/2010 12:09:12 AM 334 Views
Very. Best to cover your bases though. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 14/10/2010 10:04:25 PM 351 Views
Not if the doctrine of election applies. Tim - 14/10/2010 10:14:07 PM 722 Views
Are we not talking about credit companies going after people who owe them money? TaskmasterJack - 14/10/2010 10:18:47 PM 765 Views
Yeah, I guess we are. Tim - 14/10/2010 10:28:40 PM 807 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:09:18 AM 753 Views
I am currently in that situation... damookster - 14/10/2010 05:03:23 AM 850 Views
In Washington you can contest the assessed value used to determine property taxes. Vodalus - 14/10/2010 07:27:02 AM 806 Views
Re: I am currently in that situation... Macharius - 14/10/2010 05:49:24 PM 1096 Views
it is easy for me and others to be glib when it is just a theory *NM* random thoughts - 14/10/2010 08:19:16 PM 357 Views
If you have the ability to pay, I would consider it yet another immoral act in an immoral industry. Joel - 14/10/2010 07:49:38 AM 784 Views
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