So I agree that most of the arguments people chuck out are emotion-driven or strawmen but I think you're ignoring that the same would apply for rape, and the only argument differentiating it from other cases would then be that the severe emotional trauma of the rape itself and carrying the fetus was a direct and severe risk to the life of either the mother or child. That strikes me as a real possibility, but obviously not for direct medical reasons and I would tend to think anyone who was in a state of emotional trauma so profound as to be at real health risk is not of sound mind at the time, and thus not able to make decisions.
That last sentence came close to making me shudder. If a woman were violently raped and forced to carry the child to term I can see where that could make her suicidal or severely screwed up. Are you saying that she should not be allowed to make the decision whether to keep the child? Really? What if that were your wife and she had been raped violently by another man? How would you feel about her being forced to carry that child? What would it do to her? What would it do to you and your marriage? How would it effect her relationship with your other children? Or future children (if you could ever talk her into having any?) You may have just been making a point so I won't say that you made me shudder but the idea of a severely traumatized woman being denied any relief from such a horrible nightmare and being further punished for months on end...
This message last edited by Tashmere on 08/01/2011 at 01:33:18 AM
I have a fun mental exercise for everyone
- 07/01/2011 06:47:47 PM
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Germany sucks
- 07/01/2011 07:52:13 PM
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lol, I don't think I've ever clicked on something as fast as I did that.
- 07/01/2011 11:27:50 PM
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Ok then.
- 07/01/2011 09:13:57 PM
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are you a woman? if not, fuck off. you have no uterus, you have no say. *NM*
- 07/01/2011 10:00:32 PM
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horse shit
- 07/01/2011 10:28:40 PM
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I cannot agree
- 08/01/2011 01:29:45 AM
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"Choose partners carefully to avoid this situation" cuts both ways; "choice" is the operative word.
- 14/03/2011 02:38:41 AM
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*Sigh* This is not what I wanted
- 07/01/2011 11:53:37 PM
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a debate based on morality is not rational. humans aren't actually rational creatures, you know.
- 08/01/2011 02:05:05 AM
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I wasn't aware women had a monopoly on dispassionate objective arguments.
- 08/01/2011 12:59:33 AM
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I wasn't aware they had the capacity for it
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- 08/01/2011 02:45:54 AM
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- 08/01/2011 02:45:54 AM
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Oh, I'm quite aware of and familiar with their capacity; hence my disappointment.
- 08/01/2011 03:01:41 AM
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It is true that the person with the uterus gets to make that decision.
- 08/01/2011 01:46:15 AM
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Your arguments pro choice are poor.
- 07/01/2011 10:59:43 PM
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Gotta disagree with your rape argument
- 07/01/2011 11:15:34 PM
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I agree with this. I'm interested in knowing what Helen's response is
- 07/01/2011 11:55:23 PM
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Re: Gotta disagree with your rape argument
- 08/01/2011 01:32:06 AM
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Discussion merits discourtesy apparently
- 08/01/2011 03:24:09 AM
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At the end I did say that it was not you but the idea. I guess I didn't phrase that well enough.
- 08/01/2011 06:42:40 AM
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If you belive a child is a child from conception then does the means of conception change that?
- 08/01/2011 04:52:34 PM
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Not an argument or even completely applicable to what you just said. Just another viewpoint.
- 09/01/2011 01:06:19 AM
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The right to wear perfume or generous portions of cologne in a the workplace or public areas
- 08/01/2011 01:24:04 AM
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I hate this too. *NM*