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well we are talking about the US right and left not the European one random thoughts Send a noteboard - 11/01/2011 01:11:30 PM

I can't think of any creed of the Nazi movement that fits the American mainstream right better then it fits the American left. The Nazi were militaristic and the right tends to be more militaristic then the left but when it comes to the role of government and the economy there really isn't much there. Far as I can tell the whole thing is a lie created by liberal college professors so they could some crazies on the right and not have have them all on the left.

Have you ever considered that maybe it is the US which has an unusual definition of "right-wing"? Any attempt to define "left" and "right" across country borders will encounter difficulties, and no party will ever perfectly fit the mould - not that there even is a well-defined mould. But while some people in the US seem to think that right-wing is synonymous to "small government" and left-wing to "big government", the international definitions, as ill-defined as they are, are a bit more complicated than that. The similarities between the Nazis and the Soviet Union or other communist states have always been obvious, and those liberal college professors of yours have never denied that, but believe it or not, the reasoning why the Nazis are considered far right while the Soviet Union is considered far left is in fact based on political science and not on some "let's try and stick the right wing with the Nazis" conspiracy.

And sorry the simply fact that you have a new country mile and a half doesn't make your version the right one. Since we are talking US politics our definition of right and left is really the only one that matters. The Nazi party has more in common from a political philosophy point of view with American left.

I was just joking about the professors (at least mostly) but I don't think they are wrong. The nazies and the communist are opposite ends of the socialist movement not opposite ends of the political spectrum. Using the nazies to define the political spectrum and misleading ans inaccurate.

But that is another argument I was referring to his friends claim that he was a liberal more than his reading habits. His general political mindset seems closer to a left wing anarchist than a right wing isolationist but to be honest neither one of those extremes really has much to do with the mainstream beliefs of either party and part of what is causing this climate that everyone is so worried about is the sustained effort to try and define the other party by its extremes. And yes both sides are equally guilty as we saw with all of the republicans trying to run against Pelosi n matter where they were and all of the democrats trying to run against O’Donnell. It is just the left's unending whining about about that gets on my nerves.

Yes, I quite agree about the attempts to define the other party by its extremes. That's done in politics all over the world, of course, but in a country with only two parties it has a tendency of turning even uglier than elsewhere.

The problem with Common knowledge is it is so often wrong. (This event was not about politics is was a crazy man with a gun. the fact that we make it so easy for crazy people to get guns should have been the direction the left went with this.) But I find it very odd that so many people think the US is the one with political violence problem when we have almost none and Europe seems to have a violent protest with people being killed and injured on pretty regular basis. Where do you see US politics turning ugly as compared to elsewhere? Which large country has less political violence then the US does? Compared the Europe we are a freaking beacon of sanity and calm.

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The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel LiterateDog - 10/01/2011 04:02:29 AM 1650 Views

The people politicizing this are idiots. everynametaken - 10/01/2011 04:44:37 AM 904 Views

Can't argue with that. Joel - 10/01/2011 08:05:32 AM 868 Views

Nothing to argue with there. *NM* Tashmere - 10/01/2011 05:04:49 AM 334 Views

I do agree it's not her fault; she is a non-entity. nossy - 10/01/2011 12:38:24 PM 832 Views

I agree. *NM* Avendesora - 10/01/2011 03:41:30 PM 504 Views

The NYT and liberal media have created a climate of stupidity random thoughts - 10/01/2011 05:47:29 PM 921 Views

Pot, Kettle. I think you two should discuss your color. Dannymac - 10/01/2011 09:26:05 PM 960 Views

nice try but no random thoughts - 10/01/2011 09:52:01 PM 867 Views

Close your eyes and fill your ears all you want... Dannymac - 10/01/2011 10:51:45 PM 821 Views

that is hoot coming from the chicken little party random thoughts - 11/01/2011 02:17:37 PM 852 Views

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...." Joel - 10/01/2011 11:53:10 PM 1104 Views

no you are just wearing Danny's blinders random thoughts - 11/01/2011 02:15:46 PM 953 Views

I try to steer clear of personal attacks. Joel - 11/01/2011 04:00:35 PM 858 Views

I try to make my point clear and I can't help if you skip them random thoughts - 11/01/2011 05:02:41 PM 868 Views

I didn't skip your points, I disputed them. Joel - 11/01/2011 05:51:10 PM 838 Views

you keep claiming both sides but you fail to offer any support random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:00:41 PM 878 Views

Not so; you choose not to see the supporting arguments. Joel - 11/01/2011 10:21:09 PM 824 Views

repeating the same claim is not the same as supporting it random thoughts - 11/01/2011 11:36:52 PM 744 Views

Those who have accused specific people or groups will most likely have to backtrack and apologize. Legolas - 10/01/2011 06:48:33 PM 1010 Views

they will neither back track or apologize random thoughts - 10/01/2011 07:54:54 PM 869 Views

I don't really think the NYT has crossed that line I was talking about. Legolas - 10/01/2011 09:54:36 PM 882 Views

not sure where you draw your line but this crosses mine random thoughts - 10/01/2011 10:11:04 PM 984 Views

Yes, well, Krugman is Krugman.

Legolas - 10/01/2011 10:25:31 PM 814 Views

You see to be arguing we should assume his political views were created by the politcal climate random thoughts - 11/01/2011 03:03:15 PM 1057 Views

Indeed I am. Legolas - 11/01/2011 06:18:56 PM 875 Views

it is not a wake up call to anything but left wing hestrics if their is no connection random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:29:47 PM 1036 Views

wasn't pim fortuyn a right winger though? moondog - 11/01/2011 04:33:26 PM 789 Views

Um, yes, that was pretty much the point I was making. Legolas - 11/01/2011 06:22:06 PM 880 Views

Was there anyhting besides his stance on immigration to support the argument he was far right? random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:31:05 PM 1007 Views

Yes, though it's true that is the key part. Legolas - 11/01/2011 07:11:13 PM 975 Views

can one posistion define you as being far right or far left? random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:23:18 PM 910 Views

One single position? I wouldn't know, I can't think of any examples. Legolas - 11/01/2011 08:41:58 PM 969 Views

yes you did random thoughts - 11/01/2011 11:40:50 PM 1081 Views

ok i get it now moondog - 12/01/2011 02:33:48 AM 838 Views

... cut both ways because soulless opportunism knows no creed: Joel - 10/01/2011 09:46:31 PM 917 Views

They probably wouldn't say much because it really doesn't show much random thoughts - 10/01/2011 09:58:46 PM 791 Views

It really doesn't show that he has "left leanings". Legolas - 10/01/2011 10:07:48 PM 905 Views

Well they call him a liberal and like it or not the Nazi movement was an extreme form of socialism random thoughts - 10/01/2011 10:22:04 PM 1014 Views

Deep sigh. Legolas - 10/01/2011 10:34:33 PM 951 Views

well we are talking about the US right and left not the European one random thoughts - 11/01/2011 01:11:30 PM 872 Views

Actually, I believe we were talking about the Nazi right or left.

Legolas - 11/01/2011 07:04:56 PM 956 Views

wow I really need to stop posting from my i-phone an you deserve a cookie for being able to follow random thoughts - 11/01/2011 07:48:35 PM 1070 Views

A thousand times no. Joel - 11/01/2011 10:38:19 PM 1080 Views

Bucnd and the Nazi part are and never were associtaed with what we consider American right politics random thoughts - 11/01/2011 11:34:46 PM 904 Views

What you do/n't "consider" part of the left/right is precisely the problem here. Joel - 12/01/2011 01:06:56 AM 1035 Views

Thank you.

Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:07:14 PM 955 Views

as for how they want to use this random thoughts - 12/01/2011 07:35:12 PM 1007 Views

Liberal college professors didn't call the nazis far right, people who lived under Nazis did. Joel - 10/01/2011 10:56:33 PM 1172 Views

If demoniizing your opponet makes your a fscist then you have made my argument for me random thoughts - 11/01/2011 01:25:51 PM 999 Views

In a word, no. Joel - 11/01/2011 04:29:36 PM 834 Views

really would you like to point to the right trying to use this to demonize the left? random thoughts - 11/01/2011 05:59:49 PM 849 Views

I already have, irrespective of your inability and/or refusal to see it. Joel - 11/01/2011 09:53:38 PM 906 Views

so point pointing out blood libel is the same as commiting it? random thoughts - 11/01/2011 11:31:41 PM 1194 Views

I don't know enough about the story to say much save that partisan finger pointing is wrong. Joel - 10/01/2011 10:30:51 PM 983 Views

First I don't even know who WorldNet is so I see no reasont o defend them random thoughts - 11/01/2011 01:36:44 PM 865 Views

For someone who doens't know who WND is you sure circled the wagons around them fast.

Joel - 11/01/2011 04:21:40 PM 1064 Views

No they are in no way the same random thoughts - 11/01/2011 05:06:43 PM 836 Views

They're precisely the same in tone. Joel - 11/01/2011 06:04:42 PM 945 Views

the only thing you have proven is that you have zero support for your argument random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:36:14 PM 878 Views

Enough. Joel - 11/01/2011 10:18:59 PM 849 Views

your evidience is dribble and if that is the best you can I am sorry random thoughts - 11/01/2011 11:39:05 PM 837 Views

Liberals and Conservatives have rushed to frame Jared Lee Loughner’s motives... Variant - 10/01/2011 10:34:09 PM 1018 Views

Sounds like a plan. Joel - 10/01/2011 11:11:50 PM 924 Views

Which conseratives rushed to frame this for poltical gain? random thoughts - 11/01/2011 02:19:55 PM 844 Views

But that's how it always goes:"The animal is so treacherous; when it is attacked, it defends itself" Cannoli - 18/01/2011 03:15:35 PM 868 Views

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<quote id="183778"><quote id="183772">I can't think of any creed of the Nazi movement that fits the American mainstream right better then it fits the American left.  The Nazi were militaristic and the right tends to be more militaristic then the left but when it comes to the role of government and the economy there really isn't much there.  Far as I can tell the whole thing is a lie created by liberal college professors so they could some crazies on the right and not have have them all on the left.  ;)</quote></quote>
<quote id="183778">Have you ever considered that maybe it is the US which has an unusual definition of "right-wing"? Any attempt to define "left" and "right" across country borders will encounter difficulties, and no party will ever perfectly fit the mould - not that there even is a well-defined mould. But while some people in the US seem to think that right-wing is synonymous to "small government" and left-wing to "big government", the international definitions, as ill-defined as they are, are a bit more complicated than that. The similarities between the Nazis and the Soviet Union or other communist states have always been obvious, and those liberal college professors of yours have never denied that, but believe it or not, the reasoning why the Nazis are considered far right while the Soviet Union is considered far left is in fact based on political science and not on some "let's try and stick the right wing with the Nazis" conspiracy. </quote>

I was just joking about the professors (at least mostly) but I don't think they are wrong. The nazies and the communist are opposite ends of the socialist movement not opposite ends of the political spectrum.  Using the nazies to define the political spectrum and misleading ans inaccurate.

<quote id="183778"><quote id="183772">But that is another argument I was referring to his friends claim that he was a liberal more than his reading habits.  His general political mindset seems closer to a left wing anarchist than a right wing isolationist but to be honest neither one of those extremes really has much to do with the mainstream beliefs of either  party and part of what is causing this climate that everyone is so worried about is the sustained effort to try and define the other party by its extremes.  And yes both sides are equally guilty as we saw with all of the republicans trying to run against Pelosi n matter where they were and all of the democrats trying to run against O’Donnell. It is just the left's unending whining about about that gets on my nerves.</quote></quote>
<quote id="183778">Yes, I quite agree about the attempts to define the other party by its extremes. That's done in politics all over the world, of course, but in a country with only two parties it has a tendency of turning even uglier than elsewhere. </quote>

The problem with Common knowledge is it is so often wrong. (This event was not about politics is was a crazy man with a gun.  the fact that we make it so easy for crazy people to get guns should have been the direction the left went with this.) But I find it very odd that so many people think the US is the one with political violence problem when we have almost none and Europe seems to have a violent protest with people being killed and injured on pretty regular basis.  Where do you see US politics turning ugly as compared to elsewhere? Which large country has less political violence then the US does?  Compared the Europe we are a freaking beacon of sanity and calm.
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