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So in other words out of self interest I should admire her? Now THAT's evil... Shannow Send a noteboard - 13/01/2011 07:38:36 PM
As for the rest of your post, I'll just quote an excerpt from the eminent play A Man For All Seasons.

Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast — man's laws, not God's — and if you cut them down — and you're just the man to do it — d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

The reason criminal defenders fight for the rule of law is because they know it protects more than criminals. The rights that woman is defending are the same ones you would need were you accused of a crime. She deserves your respect, not your disdain.


All you're saying is that in order to protect myself against the off chance that I might need to be defended in a similar situation I must be glad that she's extending the suffering of those poor families?

Pure self interest, in other words. Nice.
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What motivates someone to pull out all the stops defending the Arizona shooter in court? Shannow - 13/01/2011 06:46:14 PM 1532 Views
Because even the guilty are entitled to a full and proper defence. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 06:58:51 PM 971 Views
A belief in everyone's right to a defense? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:02:24 PM 508 Views
Isn't it a little strange... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:08:49 PM 1045 Views
I don't know anything about the woman or the people she has defended before Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:10:56 PM 912 Views
Timothy Mcveigh, Eric Rudolph, Theodore Kazynski, Zacharias Moussai, Susan Smith... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:16:07 PM 1087 Views
All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:18:24 PM 999 Views
Re: All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:23:15 PM 888 Views
So once you sit down and have a heart to heart with your client an discover that he is simply evil.. Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:30:53 PM 1102 Views
My god, man, take an ethics class. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:37:16 PM 921 Views
So by your ethics... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:40:36 PM 1088 Views
If he can't be defended he can't be tried and thus he can't be convicted. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:44:57 PM 1107 Views
I suspect he disparages "technicalities" as well. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:48:14 PM 457 Views
some techincalites deserve it random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:01:26 PM 934 Views
True. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 08:54:25 PM 462 Views
How is justice served if the accused has no defense? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:47:01 PM 471 Views
Who said she sought out anyone? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:29:38 AM 959 Views
Maybe he IS insane ßelals Girl - 13/01/2011 07:17:46 PM 968 Views
So what if he is? Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:11:44 AM 876 Views
No, it doesn't change what he did. Rebekah - 14/01/2011 06:22:06 PM 934 Views
Plus ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:05:36 PM 1006 Views
Capital punishment is more expensive than life in prison. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:34:29 PM 1068 Views
So in other words out of self interest I should admire her? Now THAT's evil... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:38:36 PM 1125 Views
Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:40:42 PM 894 Views
Re: Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:49:56 PM 1023 Views
That's a critique of Lawyers, not a critique of Rule of Law. Dan - 13/01/2011 08:37:20 PM 1033 Views
Do you know what happened before there were defence lawyers for all accused? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 10:37:55 PM 497 Views
Do you believe the severity of the crime should affect your defense? random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:45:16 PM 941 Views
No. Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:44:05 PM 1172 Views
How do you decide if it was "in cold blood" or not? Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:49:06 PM 975 Views
Have you any way to back up this statement? Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:49:41 PM 941 Views
The difference... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:57:45 PM 1040 Views
How would you know he was the guy that stole the horse? *NM* Chas - 14/01/2011 11:32:15 PM 499 Views
re: Macharius - 13/01/2011 09:09:05 PM 913 Views
I just get a sense that those principles are worshipped more than the cause they supposedly serve... Shannow - 13/01/2011 09:19:59 PM 948 Views
The principles and the cause they serve are the same. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:13:43 PM 903 Views
Take a look at the part of the world who still use the villiage elder system random thoughts - 13/01/2011 09:36:18 PM 850 Views
That is one effed up world that I would not want to live in. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:42:34 AM 479 Views
random thoughts is right. Joel - 14/01/2011 02:42:38 AM 1178 Views
the belief that for the system to work everyone needs vigorous defense random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:37:40 PM 928 Views
You managed to cover all three of my answers; +1. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:29:21 AM 965 Views
Yes, exactly. And in fewer words than I'd have used. *NM* newyorkersedai - 15/01/2011 02:10:03 PM 629 Views
Probably a bunch of reasons beetnemesis - 13/01/2011 07:39:58 PM 941 Views
A belief in justice Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:24:25 PM 1061 Views
Personally, I don't see why being insane should excuse anything... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:29:25 PM 1083 Views
It's a good thing you don't get to write the laws then Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:45:39 PM 986 Views
Being insane doesn't excuse anything. Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:45:40 PM 1091 Views
Fame and money Wulf`gar - 13/01/2011 09:15:38 PM 872 Views
Many possible reasons. Tim - 13/01/2011 10:41:30 PM 1002 Views
Well said. *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 11:30:54 PM 537 Views
Oh, and I forgot one very important thing. Tim - 13/01/2011 11:33:33 PM 869 Views
He should have been shot in the street like a dog. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:09:38 AM 868 Views
Vengeance is not justice. *NM* Macharius - 14/01/2011 01:13:04 AM 469 Views
If the person is guilty, it's one in the same. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:17:54 AM 834 Views
No, it's not: their definitions and concepts are entirely different. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:27:13 PM 967 Views
Can`t consume blood, actually. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:10:57 PM 926 Views
well im so glad you find this situation to be so simple Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:45:52 AM 901 Views
Now that was a better post. Now we can talk. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:54:11 AM 1052 Views
That would not be a deterrent to people who are mentally ill. *NM* everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:25:56 AM 509 Views
By that logic nothing would. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:29:41 AM 833 Views
And by that logic, we should kill people with HIV. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:20:03 AM 920 Views
Not at all. We should kill people with HIV if they're spreading it knowingly. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:31:48 PM 1113 Views
then we should kill people who spread the flu as well random thoughts - 14/01/2011 04:53:51 PM 970 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:21:36 PM 854 Views
it is absurd and that is my point random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:54:07 PM 987 Views
That's not the issue. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:00 PM 922 Views
why are the different? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 10:02:06 PM 907 Views
HIV is incurable. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:09:47 AM 840 Views
Unless, you know, someone is deliberately spreading flu to old people or people with Chas - 15/01/2011 12:32:42 PM 891 Views
To my knowledge, no one has ever been convicted of that. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 03:32:49 PM 875 Views
People have been convicted for knowingly spreading diseases Isaac - 15/01/2011 01:05:22 PM 832 Views
you are correct that is why we need to fix our mental health system *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:22:22 PM 494 Views
Not everyone else is doing that. So who else are you trying to deter? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:25:28 PM 1024 Views
Everyone. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:23:41 PM 1121 Views
gang members get killed every day by other gang members so I would say it isn't working *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:31:29 PM 523 Views
If we were executing them publicly in the streets, maybe it would be. *NM* Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:33:30 PM 485 Views
why would you believe that? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:58:25 PM 918 Views
It's never been tried. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:54 PM 908 Views
So it's agreed, murderers should be given icecream. *NM* Stephen - 14/01/2011 09:43:36 PM 469 Views
did you actually read my reply where I explained that it has been tried? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:52:43 PM 997 Views
Because it's not being done by the state. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:08:51 AM 869 Views
Yes, let's bring back the justice of the lynch mob. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:44:00 AM 441 Views
It is justice if the person is guilty. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:32:44 PM 817 Views
So how would you determine if the person is guilty and deserved death? Perhaps... with a lawyer? *NM* Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:05:13 AM 510 Views
No, a 5 minute trial wherein the judge watches the video of this guy killing everyone... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:05:30 AM 988 Views
What if he was a hired killer? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:19:12 PM 843 Views
They're pretty certain he worked alone. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:00:42 PM 890 Views
Also, did you see My Cousin Vinny? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:23:51 PM 921 Views
In this case, I'll risk it. *NM* Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:02:10 PM 464 Views
non occides, indeed. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 02:37:29 AM 453 Views
Because he has absolutely no right to the laws dictated in the U.S. Constitution. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 03:20:58 AM 1053 Views
The Constitution shouldn't protect these people. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:34:19 PM 850 Views
14th amendment -- equal protection clause. thanks for playing! moondog - 14/01/2011 04:22:17 PM 942 Views
I'm not an American. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:27:52 PM 1017 Views
And believe me, that shows in more than where you were born. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 11:28:28 PM 467 Views
If that's supposed to be an insult... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:03:10 AM 899 Views
How do you determine if someone gets Constitutional protection or not? ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:10:45 PM 913 Views
If someone is guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt... Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:26:36 PM 910 Views
He has a reasonable defense. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 11:21:47 PM 1010 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:04:38 AM 1036 Views
That's preposterous. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/01/2011 10:42:04 PM 893 Views
He's not retarded, he's insane. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 12:28:45 AM 886 Views
Both are maladies that affect the mind and reasoning processes. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 02:05:53 AM 918 Views
Then insane still have to pay for what they've done. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 02:53:47 AM 881 Views
There's a little flaw in your connection. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 03:14:36 AM 871 Views
Again, I disagree. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:47:08 AM 1445 Views
Just because that's your opinion, doesn't mean that's applicable. Great Lord of Chaos - 17/01/2011 03:07:47 AM 977 Views
Uh...I never argued that it should. Dragonsoul - 17/01/2011 03:33:43 AM 1166 Views
I wonder what the reaction would be if Michael Vick said that. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:18:00 AM 850 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:35:16 PM 735 Views
yes because threat of death works so well on the insane random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:21:42 PM 914 Views
I`ve addressed this already. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:08:28 PM 840 Views
no you admitted it wouldn't deter them random thoughts - 14/01/2011 05:03:24 PM 916 Views
Re: no you admitted it wouldn't deter them j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 06:55:22 PM 1078 Views
no random thoughts - 14/01/2011 07:15:11 PM 940 Views
Re: no j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 07:35:07 PM 941 Views
We recently put a man to death in Texas who was very likely innocent random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:24:04 PM 793 Views
Just as an aside... I suppose you have no problem with Muslims cutting off the hand of a thief? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:30:50 PM 955 Views
I invite you to show me where I've criticized the Islamic legal system. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:36:22 PM 961 Views
OK. everynametaken - 15/01/2011 04:40:56 PM 965 Views
I really don't care what Muslims do to each other. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 05:28:52 PM 863 Views
Actually castrating or chemically castrating? Rebekah - 15/01/2011 05:33:07 PM 1055 Views
I don't care either way really. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:03:01 PM 816 Views
i believe in the laws and ideals this country is based on Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:41:13 AM 1024 Views
And you felt the need to say that why? Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:44:40 AM 908 Views
I find it hilarious that a clearly guilty man will be defended. Defended against what? Dark Knight - 14/01/2011 03:22:20 AM 982 Views
I'll tell you a couple of other things that could happen. Tim - 14/01/2011 08:26:52 AM 877 Views
There are still trials when someone pleads guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2011 06:47:56 PM 484 Views
The Thing is... vandevere - 14/01/2011 04:57:04 AM 929 Views
What motivates someone to be the Arizona shooter? snoopcester - 14/01/2011 09:51:10 AM 915 Views
I found something of interest... vandevere - 14/01/2011 06:16:40 PM 825 Views
Because the thought of people with a lynch mob mentality running the show scares them way more than Tashmere - 15/01/2011 03:56:44 AM 899 Views
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