The US was not a foreign country, they were considered rebels. The comparison would be that in Egypt people suffer a lack of basic rights we take for granted in the west these days and prisoners were treated horribly... considering those rights now taken for granted were not particularly common place during the American Reovlution and the prisoners suffered, and that many of the colonists came over to escape the various religious and political persecutions that take place in lots of these modern dictatorships still, I think the analogy is appropriate.
Yes, and? The Confederacy wasn't considered a foreign country, either, but still the Civil War was very much a war. I'm not sure why the Revolutionary War should be any different. The point is that it's a war against an organized army, and that the abused people in question were members of that army, who had taken up arms against the British army and would do so again. Nothing like repression of innocent citizens, which indeed the British didn't do prior to the outbreak of the war, except for isolated incidents like the Boston Massacre. During the war, I imagine there'll have been more incidents, but still that does not compare to systematic repression in peacetime.
I don't consider it 'quibbling' when someone implies the US rebelled over trifles.
Trifles is your word, not mine. The US had its reasons for wanting independence, and I am not making any judgement here about whether those reasons were good enough to take independence by force. But good enough or not, you cannot let your nationalism blind you to the point of claiming that the British burden was remotely comparable to the colonial burdens in most other colonized countries, including some colonized by the British themselves, or to repressive dictatorial regimes now. And hence, I invite you yet again to comment on the part of this discussion that's relevant to the topic at hand - whether it's reasonable to expect the Egyptian people to obtain its freedom in a manner as gentlemanly as the Americans did it.
If anyone's looking for up-to-date info on what's going on in Egypt
- 28/01/2011 08:08:31 PM
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Clarify: Democracy fans should favor the protesters because they have more violent thugs,right?
- 28/01/2011 11:37:48 PM
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and socialism fans should favor the violent dicator since he can bring order and subsidies
- 29/01/2011 12:16:37 AM
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He mainly seems to bring close diplomatic ties to the US and alternatives to the Muslim Brotherhood
- 29/01/2011 12:59:48 AM
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You might want to do a quick check on the political situation in Egypt at this time.
- 29/01/2011 11:37:02 AM
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I've done a quick one; it makes me question whether government by the protesters would be better.
- 29/01/2011 11:44:10 PM
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It's a fairly simple matter, really.
- 29/01/2011 11:52:41 AM
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The trouble with free elections is: They're free.
- 29/01/2011 11:53:22 PM
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A vote for dictatorship and against democracy it is. Just checking.
- 30/01/2011 12:08:41 AM
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I haven't cast a vote.
- 30/01/2011 02:02:11 AM
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Not one that counts no, but still.
- 30/01/2011 01:11:59 PM
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None of any kind.
- 31/01/2011 12:10:07 AM
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so you support tyranny of others if it makes things more comfortable for you?
- 30/01/2011 05:15:01 AM
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I oppose brutal oppression; I'm unconvinced either side in this will end it, thus I withhold support
- 30/01/2011 05:21:37 AM
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some times it is black and white
- 31/01/2011 12:37:36 AM
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I fully support their right to demand democracy; I don't expect they'll get it, whatever happens.
- 31/01/2011 01:45:23 AM
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You're not seriously expecting them to do their revolution American Revolution-style, are you?
- 29/01/2011 11:28:31 AM
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I think terrorizing innocents and torching buildings is a poor way to claim the moral highground.
- 29/01/2011 11:32:19 PM
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British Colonialism wasn't a walk in the park
- 30/01/2011 03:53:58 AM
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Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
- 30/01/2011 10:42:53 AM
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Re: Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
- 30/01/2011 02:32:52 PM
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You can't be serious.
- 30/01/2011 03:07:18 PM
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Pretty serious
- 30/01/2011 04:52:24 PM
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Re: Pretty serious
- 30/01/2011 05:11:50 PM
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This is ridicolous
- 30/01/2011 05:31:31 PM
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I wouldn't normally think this necessary with you, but okay: let's go back and see what I said.
- 30/01/2011 06:34:09 PM
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you forget that it was supposdely thier own citizens the British were abusing.
- 31/01/2011 12:39:33 AM
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Sure, but organized into hostile armies. A rather different matter, that. *NM*
- 31/01/2011 09:46:25 PM
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I dont know if this will help you understand what is going on there
- 30/01/2011 02:45:41 AM
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Yikes indeed
- 29/01/2011 03:57:25 AM
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Apparently Egypt blocked access to Facebook, Twitter and some other websites.
- 29/01/2011 11:38:46 AM
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Heh, her update was basically "Thanks for turning facebook back on, Egypt."
- 29/01/2011 06:36:49 PM
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There seems to be some big misconceptions about the Egyption crisis
- 31/01/2011 11:52:37 PM
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