On a very short field all but one of the times they got into the end zone.
Joel Send a noteboard - 07/02/2011 09:43:57 AM
That's doing a bit more than not screwing up. And that final FG that you forget was on a drive that started on the 18 and ate a lot of clock.
I really don't get what your beef with West Coast is. It has proven effective (by winning championships) repeatedly in its history, and yet again with the Packers this year. It is an admirable way of maximizing an offense with strong passing personnel but suspect running game. It isn't perfect, but what offense is?
In any case, I only brought it up because I wanted you to rise to the bait and get another Steeler turnover. Sadly, you abstained until the game was over. I was hoping for another turnover to rub in the faces of people who act like Rothlisbergers Super Bowls are an individual stat.
I really don't get what your beef with West Coast is. It has proven effective (by winning championships) repeatedly in its history, and yet again with the Packers this year. It is an admirable way of maximizing an offense with strong passing personnel but suspect running game. It isn't perfect, but what offense is?
In any case, I only brought it up because I wanted you to rise to the bait and get another Steeler turnover. Sadly, you abstained until the game was over. I was hoping for another turnover to rub in the faces of people who act like Rothlisbergers Super Bowls are an individual stat.
Except for the first TD the Steelers D either prevented a TD or started out playing half court, so that's not much credit to your offense. I've never been a believer in defense winning championships, but once the Conference Championships were set it was kinda inevitable, because none of the four teams has a great offense. Taking this SB (or the '96 one, for that matter, though the offense was better even if it couldn't run well) as a vindication of the West Coast offense is like, well, taking the Steelers SB wins as vindication of Roethlisberger: In both cases the defense won the championship and the offense was, I still insist, just along for the ride. Don't get me wrong, Rodgers is a great QB, IMHO, and no one would mind having Jennings and Driver to catch balls, but it's hard to call any offense so one dimensional good, let alone great.
I'm well aware the WCO usually takes far longer than a passing offense should to drive the length of the field, but that's not really a selling point; be glad your D stuffed Pitt long enough to take a solid lead (with help from Roethlisberger; that one pick six was the difference by itself, and ya'll regained control at the end of the third because of two Pitt turnovers, not because your punter had such a star performance). If you're going to say ya'll were TRYING to kill the clock, allow me to remind you there's no such thing as an "incomplete run". Meanwhile, the turnover percentage for passes, even WCO passes, is still MUCH higher than for runs. If you're passing 75% of the time it's because you CAN'T run, because building leads while taking time off the clock, resting your D and reducing their offense to spectators is how you win games, and the running game does that better than the passing game. Let me be clear: I LIKE passing, a lot; I just don't like 5 yard passes that dramatically increase my risks for very little gain.
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This message last edited by Joel on 07/02/2011 at 09:45:38 AM
Super Bowl XLV Pick 'Em: Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Green Bay Packers
06/02/2011 10:54:32 PM
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Ill go with the Packers (not as many accused rapists on that team) *NM*
06/02/2011 11:31:43 PM
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Packers!
06/02/2011 11:57:53 PM
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Bleah, but OK.
07/02/2011 12:02:01 AM
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And the Packer pick off!
07/02/2011 12:08:27 AM
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I'm'a stop responding to you 'cos Roethlisberger throws a dumb pick every time I do.
07/02/2011 12:47:23 AM
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Re: Bleah, but OK.
07/02/2011 10:29:35 PM
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He did get pushed into Roethlisberger at a very inopportune time.
08/02/2011 01:31:27 PM
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Re: He did get pushed into Roethlisberger at a very inopportune time.
09/02/2011 12:16:22 AM
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Obviously I pick the Pack...
07/02/2011 01:04:18 AM
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"Oh, we can't throw deep on 2nd and short because we might loose the ball".
07/02/2011 02:32:43 AM
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Better keep replying.
07/02/2011 02:38:15 AM
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Seriously?
07/02/2011 03:20:44 AM
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Thanks!
07/02/2011 03:31:29 AM
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NP
07/02/2011 04:11:40 AM
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Pack won by 6.
07/02/2011 04:21:06 AM
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Right, I keep forgetting the last FG, sorry.
07/02/2011 06:19:50 AM
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The offense scored 24 points against the best points defense in the NFL.
07/02/2011 08:54:37 AM
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On a very short field all but one of the times they got into the end zone.
07/02/2011 09:43:57 AM
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joel -- give it up
07/02/2011 01:35:11 PM
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I didn't say they didn't win fair and square.
07/02/2011 03:36:22 PM
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i can't help that you will always look for the cloud to every silver lining
08/02/2011 01:37:38 AM
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Again, I'm just saying give credit where it's due, and that's the Packers defence, by a fair margin.
08/02/2011 02:02:05 PM
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The Steelers lost because they couldn't move the ball on their last drive
08/02/2011 01:58:28 PM
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I'm aware; I'm just not sure why that makes Aaron Rodgers the Most Valuable Player.
08/02/2011 02:04:41 PM
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because he is the QB
08/02/2011 03:23:23 PM
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So what?
08/02/2011 03:39:15 PM
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QB is the de facto MVP of the super bowl when nobody else stands out
08/02/2011 03:55:32 PM
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The forced fumble and the pick six are the two things I point to as game winners.
08/02/2011 04:52:27 PM
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game winning plays are different than consistent play throughout the game
09/02/2011 01:56:53 AM
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didn't you call Romo a choker because he hasn't won the big games?
08/02/2011 04:24:04 PM
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Because he's LOST big games as a direct result of things he actually DID.
08/02/2011 04:56:00 PM
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no it is a team sport and the his poor play at QB is not the reason they lost those games
08/02/2011 05:16:22 PM
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i think joel's problem is less the west coast offense and more his disdain for all things packers
07/02/2011 01:33:10 PM
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There's enough hatred in my heart for both the Packers and the WCO.
07/02/2011 03:42:51 PM
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My persoanl preiction was the mirror opposite of the actual result. *NM*
07/02/2011 03:31:08 AM
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gghrhahrhghg!
07/02/2011 04:08:17 AM
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For once we agree completely.
07/02/2011 04:17:50 AM
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Actually we just beat the second coming...
07/02/2011 04:23:46 AM
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I loathe both teams and their fans; I find Packers fans far more insufferably arrogant.
07/02/2011 06:28:22 AM
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Super Bowls, Super Bowls, Super Bowls.
07/02/2011 08:42:39 AM
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Pittsburgh isn't a large market? That matters since the Pack instituted drafts and profit sharing?
07/02/2011 09:34:03 AM
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Quite true. We are significantly better than sliced bread.
07/02/2011 07:34:57 PM
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Re: Super Bowl XLV Pick 'Em: Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Green Bay Packers
07/02/2011 12:08:10 PM
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i'm gonna go out on another limb and pick the packers to win the super bowl!
07/02/2011 01:32:32 PM
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Great game.
07/02/2011 02:49:22 PM
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It was exciting, but I'm more inclined to agree with Palatine about the quality.
08/02/2011 01:46:47 PM
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Re: It was exciting, but I'm more inclined to agree with Palatine about the quality.
08/02/2011 02:32:53 PM
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I don't pick teams, I root for teams.
07/02/2011 06:06:50 PM
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I can pick a team when I don't care who wins; would that that had been the case here.
08/02/2011 01:57:20 PM
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