Active Users:353 Time:17/06/2025 12:03:58 PM
"Choose partners carefully to avoid this situation" cuts both ways; "choice" is the operative word. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/03/2011 02:38:41 AM
If a man has sex with a woman, he should not able to force her to complete a pregnancy that occurs. The woman has ultimate say about her body. Choose partners carefully to avoid this situation.

It's one thing when the sex isn't consensual, but when it is, the bottom line is that no matter how carefully ones partner is chosen, no matter how convincingly and sincerely she assures you that she won't consider abortion, the fact remains that if she changes her mind and decides to kill your child at some point between conception and delivery there's not a thing in the world you, as a man, can do about it. And that, quite frankly, sucks.

As a man, if your partner chooses to poke holes in your condoms you're still on the hook for child support if she carries the resulting pregnancy to term. As a man, if your partner's on the pill and you're using condoms but she still gets pregnant you have zero say in whether she has an abortion. Once she's pregnant the ball is entirely in her uterine court, and she has total say over whether you become a father, with all the duties (but not necessarily the rights) pursuant thereunto, or simply has the fruit of your loins scraped out of hers, without even the obligation to inform you. That's why there are so many fathers out there with all the financial responsibilities of raising a child they're not legally allowed to ever see.

I'm not saying I see an ideal solution, and requiring a committee to sign off before every abortion certainly isn't it, but there does seem something passing strange about the fact that a man and a woman can conceive a child, but only one of the three people involved in that has any voice in deciding whether it will be born.
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.

Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Reply to message
I have a fun mental exercise for everyone - 07/01/2011 06:47:47 PM 1096 Views
Germany sucks - 07/01/2011 07:52:13 PM 780 Views
lol, I don't think I've ever clicked on something as fast as I did that. - 07/01/2011 11:27:50 PM 740 Views
argh!!!!! *vein pops* - 07/01/2011 11:29:03 PM 696 Views
Shouldn't that be "Scheiße, I think I may have..." *NM* - 08/01/2011 05:10:08 AM 357 Views
Ok then. - 07/01/2011 09:13:57 PM 711 Views
You're also not very good at the opposing side. *NM* - 07/01/2011 11:01:18 PM 299 Views
Eh, never said I'd be great at it. - 07/01/2011 11:24:26 PM 817 Views
are you a woman? if not, fuck off. you have no uterus, you have no say. *NM* - 07/01/2011 10:00:32 PM 381 Views
horse shit - 07/01/2011 10:28:40 PM 742 Views
+1 *NM* - 08/01/2011 01:19:40 AM 305 Views
I cannot agree - 08/01/2011 01:29:45 AM 711 Views
don't pregnant if you don't want to have a baby - 08/01/2011 02:45:09 AM 688 Views
Men can control pregnancy just as easily as women. - 08/01/2011 09:38:42 PM 704 Views
"Choose partners carefully to avoid this situation" cuts both ways; "choice" is the operative word. - 14/03/2011 02:38:41 AM 825 Views
There's always room for discussion and debate - 07/01/2011 10:48:17 PM 700 Views
Its fortunate then.... - 07/01/2011 11:32:34 PM 705 Views
Very good point *NM* - 07/01/2011 11:54:03 PM 329 Views
*Sigh* This is not what I wanted - 07/01/2011 11:53:37 PM 665 Views
Re: *Sigh* This is not what I wanted - 08/01/2011 12:10:59 AM 883 Views
It used to be though, it's what sucked me in and held me. - 08/01/2011 12:57:53 AM 654 Views
a debate based on morality is not rational. humans aren't actually rational creatures, you know. - 08/01/2011 02:05:05 AM 689 Views
Cry me a river. - 08/01/2011 07:14:07 PM 679 Views
Re: Cry me a river. - 09/01/2011 09:01:47 PM 688 Views
Sheesh - 08/01/2011 10:01:01 PM 678 Views
I wasn't aware women had a monopoly on dispassionate objective arguments. - 08/01/2011 12:59:33 AM 640 Views
I wasn't aware they had the capacity for it *NM* - 08/01/2011 02:45:54 AM 279 Views
Your arguments pro choice are poor. - 07/01/2011 10:59:43 PM 875 Views
Gotta disagree with your rape argument - 07/01/2011 11:15:34 PM 784 Views
I agree with this. I'm interested in knowing what Helen's response is - 07/01/2011 11:55:23 PM 698 Views
Re: Gotta disagree with your rape argument - 08/01/2011 01:32:06 AM 725 Views
Discussion merits discourtesy apparently - 08/01/2011 03:24:09 AM 919 Views
At the end I did say that it was not you but the idea. I guess I didn't phrase that well enough. - 08/01/2011 06:42:40 AM 750 Views
Fair Enough, particularly considering the topic - 08/01/2011 07:22:36 AM 887 Views
Ah. - 08/01/2011 02:35:02 PM 625 Views
Novoftw. - 08/01/2011 07:17:03 PM 663 Views
The right to wear perfume or generous portions of cologne in a the workplace or public areas - 08/01/2011 01:24:04 AM 803 Views
ROFL. I hate this too. *NM* - 08/01/2011 03:08:37 PM 311 Views
Socialism - 08/01/2011 06:41:38 AM 1124 Views
Re: Socialism - 08/01/2011 10:02:34 PM 687 Views

Reply to Message