There is real danger in punishing self defense as well.
Joel Send a noteboard - 25/03/2011 05:56:26 PM
You're the last person I expected to take an "Anti-Bernhard Goetz" stance (well, maybe Cannoli). I agree with beetnemesis that self defense, by definition, precludes initiating a conflict, so verbally assaulting someone who responds physically, then responding physically yourself, isn't self defense. However, I also think it's a REALLY bad idea to discourage people from defending themselves since it encourages them to absorb abuse. That's bad enough in itself, but also has the effect of encouraging abuse by fostering the expectation that the only possible response will be later, second hand, from authorities who may or may not be sympathetic to or even believe the accuser.
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This message last edited by Joel on 25/03/2011 at 07:09:42 PM
I guess this is one response to bullying
- 24/03/2011 10:52:50 PM
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I'm so proud of that kid. The teachers can fuck off.
- 24/03/2011 11:04:29 PM
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Concur. The lame antibully programs at schools these days are ridiculous.
- 26/03/2011 08:47:56 PM
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That is great. He was calm, he didn't want to fight, he waited until the other kid hit him.
- 24/03/2011 11:19:49 PM
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There's an uproar over this?
- 25/03/2011 02:19:10 AM
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Re: There's an uproar over this?
- 25/03/2011 04:52:15 AM
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Not expelled.
- 25/03/2011 06:47:23 AM
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From what I saw they both got the same
- 25/03/2011 10:13:43 AM
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That's retarded *NM*
- 25/03/2011 01:40:34 PM
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not really
- 25/03/2011 02:28:25 PM
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Plus... who gives a crap about a suspension at that age?
- 25/03/2011 04:59:03 PM
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there is a real danger in not punishing self defense
- 25/03/2011 05:17:38 PM
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Er... I get what you're saying, and I don't neccessarily disagree, but...
- 25/03/2011 05:39:08 PM
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a good pop in nose as stopped a lot of bullying, isn't that what everyone is cheering for here?
- 25/03/2011 06:41:28 PM
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There is real danger in punishing self defense as well.
- 25/03/2011 05:56:26 PM
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Bernhard shot people so lets keep the hyperbole out of it
- 25/03/2011 06:56:03 PM
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Fair enough.
- 25/03/2011 07:33:26 PM
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the punishemnt has to be reasonable for it to work and I believe in this case it was
- 25/03/2011 08:31:59 PM
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I'm just not comfortable punishing self defense, provided it's a proportionate response.
- 27/03/2011 06:02:46 AM
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Big guy got 4 days, little guy and the one filming got 20 days. *NM*
- 29/03/2011 01:50:56 PM
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Lol. He fucked that kid up. Good for him for defending himself. *NM*
- 26/03/2011 02:28:36 AM
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