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Do you want a theological answer or a historical one? Tom Send a noteboard - 10/06/2011 03:16:44 PM
The theological answer is that John the Baptist was fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies surrounding Jesus that are quoted in the synoptic Gospels ( "a voice crying out in the wilderness" etc. from Isaiah 40:3-5). John baptized, by his own words, so that people would repent of their sins, which would prepare people for the coming of Jesus. However, Jesus would baptize with "fire and the Holy Spirit" (presumably by virtue of his death and Resurrection) and so post-Christ baptism is an entirely different thing than what John did in terms of its spiritual meaning and power. The interaction between Jesus and John is, essentially, John saying, "Why do you need to be baptized? You don't need to repent because you don't sin - not only that, but I'm preparing the way for you" to which Jesus says, "But I have been incarnated as a man and I want to show that I share and will ultimately bear and take away their sins. Oh, and you need to let everyone know I'm the one you've been preparing the way for, so snap to it."

The historical answer is that John was probably a crazy Nazirite radical, and was having people go into the water when they finished their period as Nazirites. We see John's followers condemning Jesus in Matthew 11, noting that John didn't drink wine but Jesus does. This has led to a lot of speculation about whether Jesus was supposed to have been a Nazirite and whether the whole appelation "Nazarene" was in fact an error.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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He dances and dips in The Ganges- Very Nice. *NM* - 11/06/2011 02:15:41 AM 228 Views
Three dips - that's the ceremony. - 11/06/2011 02:35:43 AM 471 Views
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Do you want a theological answer or a historical one? - 10/06/2011 03:16:44 PM 682 Views
The theological. I already had a fairly good idea of the historical - 10/06/2011 03:18:51 PM 549 Views
My favorite fact about baptism is that is REQUIRES water... but it can be ANY water - 10/06/2011 04:31:12 PM 640 Views
That is absurd. - 10/06/2011 08:37:13 PM 731 Views
It is absurd - 10/06/2011 08:56:19 PM 547 Views
When your post is eviscerated, resorting to "HURR RELIGION IS DUMB" isn't a winning move. - 10/06/2011 10:00:39 PM 662 Views
Psh.You can dress it up with spiritualism and semantics, but the concept boils down to "magic water" - 11/06/2011 03:56:03 AM 495 Views
The point is that it's a symbol. - 11/06/2011 04:45:19 AM 518 Views
I have no problem with water as a symbol - 11/06/2011 04:59:52 AM 593 Views
You are totally missing the point. - 11/06/2011 02:46:08 PM 672 Views
Which again, is something that sounds nice and spiritual, but doesn't actually make any sense - 11/06/2011 03:46:51 PM 634 Views
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I'm not, exactly. Religion has internal logic. For example, certain things are "unclean" - 11/06/2011 04:40:33 PM 534 Views
Beliefs about holy water are internally logical. - 11/06/2011 07:36:08 PM 586 Views
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Because we are all nuts in our own special ways? *NM* - 12/06/2011 04:36:03 PM 217 Views

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