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Can't go wrong with fuzzy math; look at all it's done for us! Joel Send a noteboard - 14/07/2011 09:27:01 PM
Of course, all of the "balancing" such an amendment would require would have to be done without tax increases, which is a mathematical impossibility. But who needs math? Not the Republicans!

By declaring we'd spend the trillion dollar Clinton surplus on tax breaks and the other half on a trillion dollars of corporate welfare we ended the longest period of economic growth in our history and plunged our country into the worst recession since 1929. Best of all, the same people demanding we cut the deficit at any cost now just months ago demanded with equal force that we keep those ten year old tax cuts (so, y'know, not deficit reduction at ANY cost; be reasonable. :rolleyes: )
Right in the middle of their brawl with President Barack Obama over extending the debt ceiling and hacking trillions from projected deficits, GOP leaders are forcing House and Senate debates next week over similar amendments requiring the budget to be balanced, starting no sooner than five years from now....
"It certainly will show who's really serious about trying to get spending under control and who isn't," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, a leading sponsor of the Senate amendment, which is backed by all 47 Republican senators.

The Senator has a gift for irony.

We cut spending AND raise taxes or we're just posturing while Rome burns; I don't see what's so difficult to grasp about that. The public gets it, and is set to hand GOP Congressmen their heads over it next year; Democrats might even miraculously retain a Senate majority despite the fact a lot more Dems are up for re-election. Still won't matter unless Obama begins to show some leadership and Republicans are sufficiently chastened by the public reversing the gains it gave the Tea Party to actually work with him on sensible policy.
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Debt Ceiling Debacle: Are Republican Leaders Spinelessly Selfish, or Cluelessly Selfish? Joel - 14/07/2011 04:57:30 PM 955 Views
funny how people only believe polls that say what they want to hear random thoughts - 14/07/2011 06:08:21 PM 489 Views
Actually, I believe the polls regularly showing Romney ahead of Obama now. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:30:01 PM 674 Views
watch out you almost made rational argument there random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:47:02 PM 532 Views
Watch out, you completely ignored my arguments there. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:20:44 PM 649 Views
Didn't Obama sign the tax cuts we are operating under now? He deserves some credit for that random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:16:14 PM 627 Views
Actually, I agree; granting the Republicans demands does make him partly culpable. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:33:50 PM 568 Views
I have yet to hear anything about any actual proposal Tom - 14/07/2011 06:23:16 PM 495 Views
*heh* Good point. I haven't read of any details. Jeordam - 14/07/2011 06:57:04 PM 430 Views
I think you have to be there to get a detailed spreadsheet, but the general terms are known. Joel - 14/07/2011 08:36:39 PM 743 Views
Your entire response is lacking actual answers. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:42:04 AM 678 Views
There were answers, just very general ones; the specifics aren't being publicly released. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:19:47 AM 624 Views
That kind of headline doesn't really help, you know? AliasRY - 14/07/2011 06:33:43 PM 595 Views
I second this. Definitely need less antagonism *NM* LadyLorraine - 14/07/2011 07:36:54 PM 211 Views
I admit I too readily meet antagonism with antagonism these days. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:56:45 PM 438 Views
"I have no idea what we're talking about, but my opinion is important anyway!" Dreaded Anomaly - 14/07/2011 09:03:10 PM 588 Views
just because you believe the silly rhetoric doens't mean it isn't rhetoric *NM* random thoughts - 14/07/2011 09:27:08 PM 182 Views
Rhetoric can be right or wrong, but it's still rhetoric. *NM* AliasRY - 14/07/2011 09:56:32 PM 297 Views
I can't think of anything else to call it. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:17:42 PM 631 Views
I just think that you could have said all that in a much more less antagonistic way. AliasRY - 14/07/2011 10:16:49 PM 624 Views
I do see your point, but it often takes a shock for people to question reflexive views. Joel - 14/07/2011 10:53:07 PM 588 Views
there's a difference between shock and antagonism LadyLorraine - 14/07/2011 11:43:20 PM 471 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 15/07/2011 12:27:44 AM 645 Views
it is selfish to demand tax increases to allow needed spending reductions *NM* random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:48:11 PM 333 Views
It's shamefully selfish to demand others sacrifice their existence for your luxury. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:14:04 PM 459 Views
that woulkd be shameful thank god it isnothing but rhetoric *NM* random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:17:44 PM 214 Views
It's the simple sad truth. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:36:34 PM 391 Views
so defalting for tax increases is OK? random thoughts - 18/07/2011 04:28:34 PM 463 Views
No, tax increases to PREVENT a default is OK. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:15 PM 562 Views
so if it was your family you'd only cut expenses and not find a way to make extra income? moondog - 15/07/2011 07:45:21 PM 488 Views
if you think silly comparison to family budget are valid then you need to ask yourself that question *NM* random thoughts - 17/07/2011 06:51:06 PM 195 Views
And you haven't even gotten into the cries for a "balanced budget amendment." Dreaded Anomaly - 14/07/2011 09:17:04 PM 438 Views
Can't go wrong with fuzzy math; look at all it's done for us! Joel - 14/07/2011 09:27:01 PM 724 Views
I think they're doing exactly what the people who paid to put them into office are expecting them to Nebhead - 14/07/2011 09:23:45 PM 475 Views
Sadly, that's so, I just keep expecting them to put the countrys survival ahead of greed. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:38:14 PM 669 Views
You know, if I pretended like I didn't have a family to support, I'd say, "Fuck it. Default." Tom - 15/07/2011 03:50:30 AM 449 Views
Maybe you can't be that cavalier, but the House majority clearly can. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:56:03 AM 645 Views
these are the same tax increases that were extended by the dems random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:49:35 PM 486 Views
EDIT: Wait, I get it now; you're just trolling me. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:14:00 PM 733 Views
no I am just pointing out simple facts but your partisan blinders refuse to allow you to see them random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:22:03 PM 523 Views
Republicans didn't just "support" tax cuts: They demanded them then and won't relinquish them now. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:58:37 PM 661 Views
Obama signed it and the dems passed it random thoughts - 18/07/2011 04:29:50 PM 473 Views
Correct, and precisely the point. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:09 PM 473 Views
Did the Mitch McConnel thing remind anyone else of Jar Jar Binks appearing before the Senate... TaskmasterJack - 15/07/2011 07:38:52 AM 544 Views
It probably would have if I didn't do everything I could to avoid thinking of Jar Jar Binks *NM* Isaac - 15/07/2011 11:20:09 AM 226 Views
Well said. *NM* Macharius - 15/07/2011 01:46:46 PM 215 Views
Pretty much everyone in the Tea Party, I think. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:45:08 PM 486 Views
obama needs to learn when to STFU sometimes moondog - 15/07/2011 08:14:29 PM 516 Views
And make policy. Joel - 15/07/2011 10:08:50 PM 640 Views
Clueless only in the sense that they aren't heeding the signals of their owners. Vodalus - 17/07/2011 06:46:42 AM 689 Views
Coaches have to do things fans dislike to win games, or get fired anyway when they lose. Joel - 17/07/2011 04:11:38 PM 697 Views
Here's to hoping I'm wrong. Vodalus - 18/07/2011 08:46:13 AM 628 Views
I was all set to argue, then I read the other new responses. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:05 PM 629 Views
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