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Actually, I believe the polls regularly showing Romney ahead of Obama now. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/07/2011 09:30:01 PM
I don't think it'll last; getting nominated will force him to shore up deep vulnerabilities on his right and embrace things like the Ryan budget, and his insulation from such insanity is why he's eking out a lead over Obama now.
So do you accept the wisdom of the masses when it doesn't meet your own little particular view of the world? Another way to read this is unlike the spineless dems who check a poll before they give an opinion republicans stand by their values. That is a little unfair I admit since "do what makes me feel good" is the only value dems they actually do stand by it.

The Republicans supposed values are irreconcilably conflicted here: They can reduce the deficit or avoid tax increases, but they CANNOT do both. Refusing to realize or at least admit that isn't principled, it's dangerously irrational. Oh, and what commitment to principle does McConnell handing Obama Congress' Constitutional power of the purse represent? It's not exactly "the buck stops here" but then, the President who had that on his desk was a Democrat. Another line of his may apply here: "I don't give 'em hell, I give 'em the truth and they THINK it's hell. "
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Debt Ceiling Debacle: Are Republican Leaders Spinelessly Selfish, or Cluelessly Selfish? Joel - 14/07/2011 04:57:30 PM 909 Views
funny how people only believe polls that say what they want to hear random thoughts - 14/07/2011 06:08:21 PM 451 Views
Actually, I believe the polls regularly showing Romney ahead of Obama now. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:30:01 PM 634 Views
watch out you almost made rational argument there random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:47:02 PM 498 Views
Watch out, you completely ignored my arguments there. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:20:44 PM 611 Views
Didn't Obama sign the tax cuts we are operating under now? He deserves some credit for that random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:16:14 PM 594 Views
Actually, I agree; granting the Republicans demands does make him partly culpable. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:33:50 PM 511 Views
I have yet to hear anything about any actual proposal Tom - 14/07/2011 06:23:16 PM 458 Views
*heh* Good point. I haven't read of any details. Jeordam - 14/07/2011 06:57:04 PM 396 Views
I think you have to be there to get a detailed spreadsheet, but the general terms are known. Joel - 14/07/2011 08:36:39 PM 691 Views
Your entire response is lacking actual answers. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:42:04 AM 646 Views
There were answers, just very general ones; the specifics aren't being publicly released. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:19:47 AM 584 Views
That kind of headline doesn't really help, you know? AliasRY - 14/07/2011 06:33:43 PM 545 Views
I second this. Definitely need less antagonism *NM* LadyLorraine - 14/07/2011 07:36:54 PM 195 Views
I admit I too readily meet antagonism with antagonism these days. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:56:45 PM 400 Views
"I have no idea what we're talking about, but my opinion is important anyway!" Dreaded Anomaly - 14/07/2011 09:03:10 PM 554 Views
just because you believe the silly rhetoric doens't mean it isn't rhetoric *NM* random thoughts - 14/07/2011 09:27:08 PM 168 Views
Rhetoric can be right or wrong, but it's still rhetoric. *NM* AliasRY - 14/07/2011 09:56:32 PM 279 Views
I can't think of anything else to call it. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:17:42 PM 591 Views
I just think that you could have said all that in a much more less antagonistic way. AliasRY - 14/07/2011 10:16:49 PM 567 Views
I do see your point, but it often takes a shock for people to question reflexive views. Joel - 14/07/2011 10:53:07 PM 537 Views
there's a difference between shock and antagonism LadyLorraine - 14/07/2011 11:43:20 PM 438 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 15/07/2011 12:27:44 AM 609 Views
it is selfish to demand tax increases to allow needed spending reductions *NM* random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:48:11 PM 319 Views
It's shamefully selfish to demand others sacrifice their existence for your luxury. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:14:04 PM 425 Views
that woulkd be shameful thank god it isnothing but rhetoric *NM* random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:17:44 PM 200 Views
It's the simple sad truth. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:36:34 PM 359 Views
so defalting for tax increases is OK? random thoughts - 18/07/2011 04:28:34 PM 431 Views
No, tax increases to PREVENT a default is OK. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:15 PM 525 Views
so if it was your family you'd only cut expenses and not find a way to make extra income? moondog - 15/07/2011 07:45:21 PM 459 Views
if you think silly comparison to family budget are valid then you need to ask yourself that question *NM* random thoughts - 17/07/2011 06:51:06 PM 183 Views
And you haven't even gotten into the cries for a "balanced budget amendment." Dreaded Anomaly - 14/07/2011 09:17:04 PM 401 Views
Can't go wrong with fuzzy math; look at all it's done for us! Joel - 14/07/2011 09:27:01 PM 672 Views
I think they're doing exactly what the people who paid to put them into office are expecting them to Nebhead - 14/07/2011 09:23:45 PM 438 Views
Sadly, that's so, I just keep expecting them to put the countrys survival ahead of greed. Joel - 14/07/2011 09:38:14 PM 631 Views
You know, if I pretended like I didn't have a family to support, I'd say, "Fuck it. Default." Tom - 15/07/2011 03:50:30 AM 413 Views
Maybe you can't be that cavalier, but the House majority clearly can. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:56:03 AM 610 Views
these are the same tax increases that were extended by the dems random thoughts - 15/07/2011 02:49:35 PM 453 Views
EDIT: Wait, I get it now; you're just trolling me. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:14:00 PM 695 Views
no I am just pointing out simple facts but your partisan blinders refuse to allow you to see them random thoughts - 15/07/2011 07:22:03 PM 490 Views
Republicans didn't just "support" tax cuts: They demanded them then and won't relinquish them now. Joel - 15/07/2011 09:58:37 PM 626 Views
Obama signed it and the dems passed it random thoughts - 18/07/2011 04:29:50 PM 440 Views
Correct, and precisely the point. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:09 PM 440 Views
Did the Mitch McConnel thing remind anyone else of Jar Jar Binks appearing before the Senate... TaskmasterJack - 15/07/2011 07:38:52 AM 508 Views
It probably would have if I didn't do everything I could to avoid thinking of Jar Jar Binks *NM* Isaac - 15/07/2011 11:20:09 AM 212 Views
Well said. *NM* Macharius - 15/07/2011 01:46:46 PM 201 Views
Pretty much everyone in the Tea Party, I think. Joel - 15/07/2011 04:45:08 PM 447 Views
obama needs to learn when to STFU sometimes moondog - 15/07/2011 08:14:29 PM 481 Views
And make policy. Joel - 15/07/2011 10:08:50 PM 598 Views
Clueless only in the sense that they aren't heeding the signals of their owners. Vodalus - 17/07/2011 06:46:42 AM 658 Views
Coaches have to do things fans dislike to win games, or get fired anyway when they lose. Joel - 17/07/2011 04:11:38 PM 653 Views
Here's to hoping I'm wrong. Vodalus - 18/07/2011 08:46:13 AM 597 Views
I was all set to argue, then I read the other new responses. Joel - 18/07/2011 06:36:05 PM 595 Views
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