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And make policy. Joel Send a noteboard - 15/07/2011 10:08:50 PM
i'm tired of hearing his speeches which make a good point, then he runs it into the ground by talking for 5 more minutes after his point has been made. and sometimes he puts fuel on the fire for republicans to attack him in this wasted 5 minutes of space. make your point, move on. enough with the endless windbag speeches. :rolleyes:

That's his problem; he's learned you can't negotiate, only capitulate, with the Radical Republicans, but hasn't learned that he has to be involved with major policy from the start. He wants to have flunkies do all the hard work, get as many concessions as they can, then swoop in at the last minute to close the deal with his charisma and the gravitas of his office. He delegated this just like healthcare, sending the message to the opposition that he's not committed to his positions, and creating an environment where THEY commit privately and publicly to positions only opposed by flunkies. No one who's been around Congress long will be overwhelmed by the President simply BECAUSE he's President, and in the mean time they paint themselves into a corner: They CAN'T give him anything or it looks like they caved on things they've been telling their constituents for months were non-negotiable.

We're back to the same old thing: Obama's a great campaigner but a lousy statesman, who would have benefited from another term in the Senate. But then someone else would be President and he'd have to wait until 2016 hoping whoever it was didn't ruin the Dem brand, or challenge the sitting President for the nomination.

He has learned how to deal with the Republicans though: He's going over Cantors head to the public just like he said he would; meanwhile, Ben Sargent (of all people) is citing emails from two different Dem insiders who say Cantor didn't say a word during the last round of negotiations. He better hope the Tea Party loves him, because he's about to become a pariah to the rest of his party. Human roadblock.
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funny how people only believe polls that say what they want to hear - 14/07/2011 06:08:21 PM 452 Views
That kind of headline doesn't really help, you know? - 14/07/2011 06:33:43 PM 548 Views
I second this. Definitely need less antagonism *NM* - 14/07/2011 07:36:54 PM 195 Views
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just because you believe the silly rhetoric doens't mean it isn't rhetoric *NM* - 14/07/2011 09:27:08 PM 169 Views
Rhetoric can be right or wrong, but it's still rhetoric. *NM* - 14/07/2011 09:56:32 PM 280 Views
I can't think of anything else to call it. - 14/07/2011 09:17:42 PM 595 Views
I just think that you could have said all that in a much more less antagonistic way. - 14/07/2011 10:16:49 PM 567 Views
I do see your point, but it often takes a shock for people to question reflexive views. - 14/07/2011 10:53:07 PM 541 Views
there's a difference between shock and antagonism - 14/07/2011 11:43:20 PM 439 Views
Fair enough. - 15/07/2011 12:27:44 AM 611 Views
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that woulkd be shameful thank god it isnothing but rhetoric *NM* - 15/07/2011 07:17:44 PM 200 Views
It's the simple sad truth. - 15/07/2011 09:36:34 PM 360 Views
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Did the Mitch McConnel thing remind anyone else of Jar Jar Binks appearing before the Senate... - 15/07/2011 07:38:52 AM 512 Views
It probably would have if I didn't do everything I could to avoid thinking of Jar Jar Binks *NM* - 15/07/2011 11:20:09 AM 214 Views
Well said. *NM* - 15/07/2011 01:46:46 PM 201 Views
Pretty much everyone in the Tea Party, I think. - 15/07/2011 04:45:08 PM 453 Views
obama needs to learn when to STFU sometimes - 15/07/2011 08:14:29 PM 485 Views
And make policy. - 15/07/2011 10:08:50 PM 599 Views
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Coaches have to do things fans dislike to win games, or get fired anyway when they lose. - 17/07/2011 04:11:38 PM 655 Views
Here's to hoping I'm wrong. - 18/07/2011 08:46:13 AM 597 Views
I was all set to argue, then I read the other new responses. - 18/07/2011 06:36:05 PM 597 Views

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