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Yes, but they voted to extend them last winter, which you insist was the Dems fault. Joel Send a noteboard - 27/07/2011 03:30:33 AM
Because they didn't oppose them strongly enough, though you insist their erstwhile firmness on debt ceiling talks is also inexcusable.
If dems always give into republicans how come we have so many social programs that republicans oppose?

Looks like we won't for much longer. The main Dem rolling over for the GOP, however, is Obama; his caucus just gets left hanging when he won't let them take a hard line and promises Boehner he'll make Dems accept Republican demands in exchange for concessions he can't get and Republicans simply renege on if he does. I doubt anyone on either side of the aisle believes anything Obama says at this point; even when he means it he'll still buckle in the end as long as Republicans refuse to budge.
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Reid/Democrats cave, Republicans win debt ceiling debate - trzaska2000 - 25/07/2011 07:29:17 PM 1197 Views
Why must it always be us against them Nolan - 25/07/2011 08:12:48 PM 698 Views
Two-party system = us vs. them trzaska2000 - 25/07/2011 09:00:31 PM 680 Views
Re: Two-party system - us vs. them Macharius - 25/07/2011 09:08:55 PM 717 Views
fuck you moondog - 26/07/2011 03:17:04 AM 758 Views
HA! HA! - I think I broke moondog's mind..... trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 04:09:59 AM 664 Views
it's not about support, it's about getting *some* of what you want moondog - 26/07/2011 06:31:26 AM 685 Views
I am only getting "some" of what I want..... trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 03:01:28 PM 812 Views
Re: I am only getting "some" of what I want..... Nolan - 26/07/2011 03:23:13 PM 717 Views
when your position is intractable, don't be surprised when people refuse to work with you moondog - 26/07/2011 03:55:28 PM 661 Views
It generally isn't Isaac - 25/07/2011 09:30:36 PM 719 Views
It formerly wasn't. Joel - 25/07/2011 10:22:47 PM 759 Views
That's mostly BS Isaac - 26/07/2011 12:57:26 AM 802 Views
Boehner was onboard with Obamas initial deal but cited his caucus as the reason he backed out of it. Joel - 26/07/2011 01:39:06 AM 895 Views
I'm sorry, did I mention Boehner in my message somewhere? Or the deal? Isaac - 26/07/2011 03:11:40 AM 702 Views
The "rest" you wanted me to spare you. Joel - 27/07/2011 03:22:54 AM 806 Views
Re: I'm sorry, did I mention Boehner in my message somewhere? Or the deal? Joel - 29/07/2011 08:26:12 AM 870 Views
Is there some lack of understanding about 'tangent' maybe? Isaac - 30/07/2011 04:57:15 AM 740 Views
Not at all; you stated exactly why I wasn't being tangential. Joel - 30/07/2011 12:47:08 PM 646 Views
You're making overtly contradictory statements now, so I think we're done Isaac - 31/07/2011 01:57:37 AM 675 Views
Half tangent then, according to the terms you set. Joel - 31/07/2011 02:24:15 AM 854 Views
"Problem solved"?!!! Joel - 25/07/2011 10:18:44 PM 769 Views
It's not just about his reelection. Can you imagine having this circus again next year? Legolas - 25/07/2011 09:16:17 PM 716 Views
or he is worried that with and election coming more dems will break ranks random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:00:56 PM 652 Views
Yes... yes, I can.... Joel - 07/12/2012 02:01:57 AM 615 Views
Yeah, pretty much. Joel - 25/07/2011 10:12:03 PM 907 Views
yeah, he pretty much lost my vote for a second term. *NM* Aisha - 25/07/2011 11:31:16 PM 282 Views
The real question is where do we go from here. Joel - 26/07/2011 01:52:31 AM 612 Views
Reid didn't cave as much as you might think random thoughts - 25/07/2011 11:58:08 PM 676 Views
I agree with that. nossy - 25/07/2011 11:59:41 PM 704 Views
to bad we have a media more interested in hyping the drama than they are in cutting through BS random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:42:39 AM 690 Views
Absolutely. Macharius - 26/07/2011 01:37:08 PM 619 Views
we need a law like they have in canada that you can't lie during a newscast moondog - 26/07/2011 03:58:38 PM 689 Views
they don't lie they just edit the truth until it fits them random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:41:24 PM 585 Views
I agree completely. nossy - 26/07/2011 05:07:37 PM 651 Views
Yeah, but any tax hikes, and any Dem leverage, is gone now. Joel - 26/07/2011 01:51:04 AM 860 Views
the tax cuts are set to expire on their own, they don't need to vote to cancel them. random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:04:58 PM 610 Views
Yes, but they voted to extend them last winter, which you insist was the Dems fault. Joel - 27/07/2011 03:30:33 AM 712 Views
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