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Point taken. Nate Send a noteboard - 30/08/2011 09:49:54 PM
City limits can be misleading it makes more sense to measure by total metropolitan area. Dallas may have only 1.2 million people living in the city limits but it is more like one giant city called DFW that has 6.3 million people in it. If you measure it by metropolitan area Toronto would just edge out Boston for tenth place and Montreal would come at 15. If you moved the Toronto area to Texas it would only come in third in the State.

I still think that rates them the title of city but it really doesn't compare to America's big three.


America certainly does have more large, spread-out metropolitan areas than Canada, where we tend to huddle together for warmth in the winter. That makes me wonder how the Economist classified their city limits. Did they differentiate between Dallas and Fort Worth, for example? Did they include the Greater Toronto Area in their ranking of Toronto? I'd be interested to see.

But that's a tangent from the definition of what a city is. I'm just curious about what makes something a city in Tom's eyes, and wondering why a centre of one or two million people should be called a town.
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The world's top ten and worst ten most livable cities Nate - 30/08/2011 07:06:50 PM 1358 Views
How do you call towns "cities"? Tom - 30/08/2011 08:12:27 PM 633 Views
I thought you were going to mention Perth. The rest are clearly cities, if you ask me. Legolas - 30/08/2011 08:23:33 PM 620 Views
Perth has 1.7 million people. Nate - 30/08/2011 08:30:26 PM 777 Views
You kind of inadvertently prove the point... Legolas - 30/08/2011 09:21:18 PM 844 Views
So I see! Nate - 30/08/2011 09:45:27 PM 871 Views
A million people isn't a city? Nate - 30/08/2011 08:28:20 PM 785 Views
Not necessarily. Tom - 30/08/2011 10:49:08 PM 751 Views
You could be right re: population density. Nate - 30/08/2011 11:06:36 PM 696 Views
Re: Not necessarily. Zaphod - 30/08/2011 11:56:20 PM 693 Views
He's spoilt by living in New York Stephen - 31/08/2011 01:26:02 AM 829 Views
That probably is part of it. Tom - 31/08/2011 02:14:41 AM 638 Views
to meet their definition of best it also seems to help if you have mostly white random thoughts - 31/08/2011 01:52:11 PM 643 Views
Have you been to Toronto or Vancouver ? wheelwright - 31/08/2011 04:02:01 PM 658 Views
no but I have the internet and they meet the ethnic description I gave random thoughts - 31/08/2011 05:25:40 PM 762 Views
Yeah, I'm sorry, but you're fairly off with that one. Nate - 31/08/2011 04:52:25 PM 710 Views
OK you did see where I included Asians didn't you and I would call less than 2% significant random thoughts - 31/08/2011 05:31:45 PM 705 Views
I believe your words ... Nate - 31/08/2011 05:49:26 PM 681 Views
yeah sprinkling was probably an understatement random thoughts - 31/08/2011 07:36:16 PM 901 Views
As a comparison ... Nate - 30/08/2011 08:37:28 PM 808 Views
that can be a little misleading random thoughts - 30/08/2011 09:18:22 PM 742 Views
Point taken. Nate - 30/08/2011 09:49:54 PM 811 Views
Not enough Europe, apparently ironclad - 30/08/2011 08:13:48 PM 702 Views
Re: Europe Nate - 30/08/2011 09:32:17 PM 725 Views
Interesting ironclad - 30/08/2011 09:59:27 PM 870 Views
but everything tries to kill you in Oz Yunalesca - 30/08/2011 08:41:51 PM 670 Views
That's what keeps you fit and healthy. *NM* Nate - 30/08/2011 09:17:32 PM 359 Views
weather is a factor and three Canadian cities made the top ten? random thoughts - 30/08/2011 09:22:32 PM 774 Views
Vancouver at least has a nice climate. Nate - 30/08/2011 09:40:31 PM 902 Views
yeah there are not vey many US cities I would want to raise kids in random thoughts - 30/08/2011 11:16:52 PM 613 Views
For the record, I found Vancouver quite lovely. Joel - 31/08/2011 05:09:37 PM 847 Views
Quality health care in the US, really? Macharius - 31/08/2011 12:27:41 AM 727 Views
seriously... LadyLorraine - 31/08/2011 05:24:47 AM 678 Views
all you are arguing is quality=free random thoughts - 31/08/2011 12:11:30 PM 686 Views
Also, Aeryn - 31/08/2011 12:53:00 PM 761 Views
no it works out that nicely for most people random thoughts - 31/08/2011 01:36:13 PM 713 Views
How can he afford a week in Vail and not afford insurance? nossy - 31/08/2011 04:22:47 PM 714 Views
a lot of the uninsured are that way from choice random thoughts - 31/08/2011 06:41:42 PM 642 Views
Getting care, getting timely care, getting quality care and paying for it are all different things. Joel - 31/08/2011 03:39:30 PM 876 Views
tha tis becuase the hospital is run by republicans and they were out to get you *NM* random thoughts - 31/08/2011 07:37:47 PM 498 Views
Nothing in Travis County is run by Republicans. Joel - 31/08/2011 07:46:42 PM 726 Views
Livability obviously doesn't include "Concentration of Venomous Creatures". *NM* TaskmasterJack - 30/08/2011 11:43:43 PM 369 Views
or perhaps Australian cities rank so high because they're so much better than the alternative Zaphod - 30/08/2011 11:58:47 PM 726 Views
Actually, the reason our cities are so liveable is because they're built to keep said creatures out Colonel Logain - 31/08/2011 12:59:01 AM 632 Views
How? ironclad - 31/08/2011 08:20:01 AM 614 Views
I can't risk putting the answer on a public forum, the venomous creatures may find out Colonel Logain - 01/09/2011 07:26:52 AM 554 Views
Why no Boston? *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2011 12:16:28 AM 356 Views
Annoyingness of local sports fans was also taken into consideration. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2011 12:31:21 AM 456 Views
Obviously the study group consists of Yankees fans. Poor, unfortunate souls. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2011 12:46:17 AM 333 Views
A low population density seems to be a key determinant in these rankings Colonel Logain - 31/08/2011 12:51:45 AM 596 Views
There is an obvious mistake Druid - 31/08/2011 03:07:31 AM 897 Views
I was almost killed by a wombat LadyLorraine - 31/08/2011 05:26:28 AM 591 Views
you should print that on a tee shirt and sell it random thoughts - 31/08/2011 09:11:18 PM 610 Views
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