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no but I have the internet and they meet the ethnic description I gave random thoughts Send a noteboard - 31/08/2011 05:25:40 PM
Can't comment on the rest, but both Toronto and Vancouver have a large ethnic population.


Mostly whites and Asians. When measuring things like crime rate and poverty demographics are a the best indicator. Like it or not what the study finds is that only cities with a narrow range of diversity make the top of the list for livability. It may be a valid point but lets not pretend it isn't there. The take away is that if you want a nice city keep it small mostly white and let in a few Asians so you can claim to have diversity.

Funny that you only count "Black, Hispanic or Arab" but leave out every other part of the world in your definition of non-white.


Funny how you claim I gave a definition of non-white when I never even used the term. Funny how you have also failed to show where any of the cities listed had significant populations of the three races I listed.

I counted those races because cities with high populations of them tend to have higher crime rates and more poverty. If any thing you should have questioned including Arabs and becuase not a single city in their top ten list has very many people from any of those groups.

I also don't think Australia, New Zealand, or Vancouver count as being a cold climate.


Vancouver's record high for June is 87F and its record low 39F. The average high for summer in Melbourne is in the high 70s while in Auckland it is the low 70s. Sorry but I would call those cool climates but I guess you could dicker if they rate as cold climates. They damn sure are not warm climates and some of the others are down right cold.

As for socialized medicine, I am sure that did play a role, as I would think part of assessing the livability of a place would be the accessibility of affordable health care.


Why because you live in a city that has free medical care and you like it? I think what makes a city more livable to me is the quality of care I can receive and since I have good insurance that is higher here in the US than it would be in Canada. If the question was which city is most livable for poor people you might have a point.
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The world's top ten and worst ten most livable cities Nate - 30/08/2011 07:06:50 PM 1479 Views
How do you call towns "cities"? Tom - 30/08/2011 08:12:27 PM 758 Views
I thought you were going to mention Perth. The rest are clearly cities, if you ask me. Legolas - 30/08/2011 08:23:33 PM 716 Views
Perth has 1.7 million people. Nate - 30/08/2011 08:30:26 PM 874 Views
You kind of inadvertently prove the point... Legolas - 30/08/2011 09:21:18 PM 954 Views
So I see! Nate - 30/08/2011 09:45:27 PM 972 Views
A million people isn't a city? Nate - 30/08/2011 08:28:20 PM 881 Views
Not necessarily. Tom - 30/08/2011 10:49:08 PM 850 Views
You could be right re: population density. Nate - 30/08/2011 11:06:36 PM 789 Views
Re: Not necessarily. Zaphod - 30/08/2011 11:56:20 PM 862 Views
He's spoilt by living in New York Stephen - 31/08/2011 01:26:02 AM 929 Views
That probably is part of it. Tom - 31/08/2011 02:14:41 AM 738 Views
to meet their definition of best it also seems to help if you have mostly white random thoughts - 31/08/2011 01:52:11 PM 745 Views
Have you been to Toronto or Vancouver ? wheelwright - 31/08/2011 04:02:01 PM 758 Views
no but I have the internet and they meet the ethnic description I gave random thoughts - 31/08/2011 05:25:40 PM 856 Views
Yeah, I'm sorry, but you're fairly off with that one. Nate - 31/08/2011 04:52:25 PM 807 Views
OK you did see where I included Asians didn't you and I would call less than 2% significant random thoughts - 31/08/2011 05:31:45 PM 801 Views
I believe your words ... Nate - 31/08/2011 05:49:26 PM 788 Views
yeah sprinkling was probably an understatement random thoughts - 31/08/2011 07:36:16 PM 1003 Views
As a comparison ... Nate - 30/08/2011 08:37:28 PM 915 Views
that can be a little misleading random thoughts - 30/08/2011 09:18:22 PM 846 Views
Point taken. Nate - 30/08/2011 09:49:54 PM 930 Views
Not enough Europe, apparently ironclad - 30/08/2011 08:13:48 PM 806 Views
Re: Europe Nate - 30/08/2011 09:32:17 PM 831 Views
Interesting ironclad - 30/08/2011 09:59:27 PM 967 Views
but everything tries to kill you in Oz Yunalesca - 30/08/2011 08:41:51 PM 756 Views
That's what keeps you fit and healthy. *NM* Nate - 30/08/2011 09:17:32 PM 402 Views
weather is a factor and three Canadian cities made the top ten? random thoughts - 30/08/2011 09:22:32 PM 888 Views
Vancouver at least has a nice climate. Nate - 30/08/2011 09:40:31 PM 1001 Views
yeah there are not vey many US cities I would want to raise kids in random thoughts - 30/08/2011 11:16:52 PM 709 Views
For the record, I found Vancouver quite lovely. Joel - 31/08/2011 05:09:37 PM 952 Views
Quality health care in the US, really? Macharius - 31/08/2011 12:27:41 AM 839 Views
seriously... LadyLorraine - 31/08/2011 05:24:47 AM 771 Views
all you are arguing is quality=free random thoughts - 31/08/2011 12:11:30 PM 780 Views
Also, Aeryn - 31/08/2011 12:53:00 PM 845 Views
no it works out that nicely for most people random thoughts - 31/08/2011 01:36:13 PM 819 Views
How can he afford a week in Vail and not afford insurance? nossy - 31/08/2011 04:22:47 PM 816 Views
a lot of the uninsured are that way from choice random thoughts - 31/08/2011 06:41:42 PM 736 Views
Getting care, getting timely care, getting quality care and paying for it are all different things. Joel - 31/08/2011 03:39:30 PM 988 Views
tha tis becuase the hospital is run by republicans and they were out to get you *NM* random thoughts - 31/08/2011 07:37:47 PM 543 Views
Nothing in Travis County is run by Republicans. Joel - 31/08/2011 07:46:42 PM 827 Views
Livability obviously doesn't include "Concentration of Venomous Creatures". *NM* TaskmasterJack - 30/08/2011 11:43:43 PM 413 Views
or perhaps Australian cities rank so high because they're so much better than the alternative Zaphod - 30/08/2011 11:58:47 PM 899 Views
Actually, the reason our cities are so liveable is because they're built to keep said creatures out Colonel Logain - 31/08/2011 12:59:01 AM 726 Views
How? ironclad - 31/08/2011 08:20:01 AM 715 Views
I can't risk putting the answer on a public forum, the venomous creatures may find out Colonel Logain - 01/09/2011 07:26:52 AM 659 Views
Why no Boston? *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2011 12:16:28 AM 397 Views
Annoyingness of local sports fans was also taken into consideration. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2011 12:31:21 AM 503 Views
Obviously the study group consists of Yankees fans. Poor, unfortunate souls. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2011 12:46:17 AM 382 Views
A low population density seems to be a key determinant in these rankings Colonel Logain - 31/08/2011 12:51:45 AM 699 Views
There is an obvious mistake Druid - 31/08/2011 03:07:31 AM 1034 Views
I was almost killed by a wombat LadyLorraine - 31/08/2011 05:26:28 AM 684 Views
you should print that on a tee shirt and sell it random thoughts - 31/08/2011 09:11:18 PM 715 Views
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