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As always, someone has to bring up the most ridiculous arguments for a good cause. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 14/09/2011 12:28:38 AM
"R.I.P. to the 2,976 Americans who lost their lives on 9/11. R.I.P. to the 48,644 Afghans, 1,690,903 Iraqis and 30,000 Pakistanis (and counting) who paid the price for a crime they did not commit".

Imagine how long of a ceremony it would have to be for the families of a the "collateral damage" had to read their loved ones names out loud.


Shit happens. Look up every war ever. All those people you mention have to wait behind the much greater numbers of Philippinos murdered in the name of acquiring a colonial empire like the other cool countries had, or the hundreds of thousands of Germans who starved to death or were too fatally weakened by hunger to fight off the Spanish Flu, because of our ignorant, wrong-headed and hypocritical participation in World War One and enabling & support of the clique of vicious revanchists who set out to re-write the map of Europe afterwards; and way behind the millions of Germans firebombed in obedience to obsolete theories of war-making, or civilians who were butchered, tortured and gang-raped by Russian "soldiers" who rode into Germany on American-made trucks and trains, or the Japanese similarly bombed into oblivion even before we set the record for most bloody & unnecessary use of WMDs in the history of the world. They have to wait their turn behind the billions of Chinese people condemned to sixty years and counting of life in a massive prison camp calling itself a country, run on the whims of a madman who would periodically instigate new revolutions with hideous casualties, just because he could. Our secretary of state BOASTED about the actions he took to undermine the efforts of the Chinese to resist that regime. They have to wait behind the millions of North Koreans suffering north of the DMZ, because a president more concerned with public relations and short-term body counts began the now-all-too-common habit of getting into wars that did not concern us by circumventing Constitutional legislative procedure, and fighting them half-heartedly so as to eliminate any chance of a good outcome.

They have to wait behind all the Cubans whose sovereignty was signed away by the frat house that called itself the Kennedy administration, and whose best chance to liberate their country was similarly undermined by US arrogance and timidity.

They have to wait behind all the people of Vietnam lost to a communist regime because the US all but hired out the assassination of their president in order to rule through an amenable thug, and then fought the war in the most inept and cowardly way possible before failing our strategic commitments.

And most of all, they have to wait behind all the Iraqis and Afghans who died BEFORE 9-11, because of inept US meddling in both countries. Behind all those who died in the specious, illegal and pointless Gulf War, waged by the US for no genuine interest in national security, and those who rebelled against Saddam Hussein at US urging, but who were left to fail and die on their own. Behind those murdered by the Taliban and other thug groups favored by the US's inept masterminds during our clandestine support for the resistance to the Soviet Union, chief among them, Ahmad Shah Masud, a peerless guerrilla leader whose name should stand among the great freedom fighters of history, and who defeated Soviet forces long before any US aid was even offered him, let alone given, a founder of the Northern Alliance, and who was murdered by the Taliban or al-Quaeda, on September 9, 2001.

That pittance of enemy deaths & collateral damage (much of which has been visited on them by their own people and is not remotely the responsibility of the USA) is the least of all the causes for which these travesties of wars should be ended and are a drop in the bucket of deaths in the name of the American Empire and at the hands of the World's Policeman. All you do when sniveling about deaths on the enemy side in a war is lend support to the accusations of the war hawks that their opponents are treacherous internationalists who only want to undermine the US in accordance with their greater sympathy for the enemy.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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I think it is time for the United States, as a nation, to stop mourning 9/11. - 13/09/2011 05:10:05 PM 1119 Views
Yes, I agree. please, let's move on. And get over ourselves. *NM* - 13/09/2011 05:35:16 PM 360 Views
What do you mean by that? - 13/09/2011 06:31:40 PM 857 Views
Grief over what? - 13/09/2011 08:25:54 PM 994 Views
And I think your position is one of an asshat. - 13/09/2011 09:20:43 PM 895 Views
Hey, here's a trade. - 13/09/2011 09:29:29 PM 805 Views
I hate that argument. - 13/09/2011 11:27:34 PM 1066 Views
Re: I think it is time for the United States, as a nation, to stop mourning 9/11. - 13/09/2011 05:49:54 PM 864 Views
quasi-police state? thats funny *NM* - 13/09/2011 06:28:20 PM 394 Views
It's funny because of how inept DHS has shown itself to be. - 13/09/2011 11:50:26 PM 821 Views
so you think it is a a keystonecop-state? *NM* - 14/09/2011 07:40:53 PM 358 Views
Isn't it though? - 14/09/2011 12:37:10 AM 801 Views
goofy paranoid rants do not really make for valid arguments - 14/09/2011 07:49:35 PM 783 Views
dropping two nukes in Japan probably helped people get over it - 13/09/2011 06:48:41 PM 828 Views
Those are historical lessons. - 13/09/2011 07:45:22 PM 803 Views
people like heart warming stories - 13/09/2011 08:40:07 PM 1077 Views
I think we have to be careful with the terms. - 13/09/2011 07:28:10 PM 891 Views
Jebus - 13/09/2011 09:13:54 PM 956 Views
So this keeps us from moving on? - 13/09/2011 11:44:54 PM 946 Views
Re: Jebus - 16/09/2011 05:01:59 PM 799 Views
It was the 10th Anniversary - 13/09/2011 09:58:11 PM 805 Views
I'm sorry you had bad television on Sunday *NM* - 13/09/2011 11:33:54 PM 393 Views
Heh. *NM* - 14/09/2011 01:19:32 AM 427 Views
I laughed extremely hard. *NM* - 15/09/2011 03:27:29 AM 474 Views
i agree, sort of - 13/09/2011 11:46:12 PM 878 Views
Re: i agree, sort of - 14/09/2011 12:40:09 AM 826 Views
Re: i agree, sort of - 14/09/2011 07:32:17 PM 789 Views
there was a fair amount of noise over it - 14/09/2011 07:56:12 PM 820 Views
tbf - 14/09/2011 08:12:15 PM 851 Views
yeah they were also busy trying to not lose the Korean War *NM* - 14/09/2011 09:40:15 PM 404 Views
here is something I saw that pretty much sums it up - 13/09/2011 11:50:28 PM 833 Views
As always, someone has to bring up the most ridiculous arguments for a good cause. - 14/09/2011 12:28:38 AM 937 Views
Re: here is something I saw that pretty much sums it up - 14/09/2011 01:35:07 AM 778 Views
I agree, all of those deaths due need to be blamed on radical Islam *NM* - 16/09/2011 05:14:36 PM 373 Views
Finally someone said this. - 15/09/2011 01:39:02 AM 866 Views

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