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Washington Teachers refuse Judge order to return to work. Dannymac Send a noteboard - 19/09/2011 11:05:13 PM
This is the real rub, I suspect, in all the legislation going down concerning the right to collective bargaining by public employees. In the end, you can't FORCE them to work, and at least in the case of teachers, they are not easy to replace.

It will be very interesting to see how this goes down. It's possible they'll all be fired, but replacing an entire school district is no easy task, and the performance of the school will suffer in any case... for the first few months at least, it will be like having a school FULL of substitute teachers.

So pass the laws you want... people with strong enough convictions can still make their voices heard. Funny how this sort of thing comes up every time one group of people tries to vote, or rule, on what specific rights another group of people is allowed to have.

The teachers may well lose this round... but they seem willing to pay the consequences if they do, and you have to respect them for sticking to their guns, even in the current political climate concerning Public Unions.

Interesting Economic Sidenote- Suppose, for a second, that the Court orders the district to fire the teachers, as the judge is considering. That is a lot of positions to fill. Such a large, sudden draw on the available teachers is essentially a raise in demand, and the effect would surely touch other areas as well, which could lead to pay raises for teachers simply due to issues of supply/demand.

Have the teachers in question created a win/win situation, if not for themselves, then for their profession?
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Washington Teachers refuse Judge order to return to work. - 19/09/2011 11:05:13 PM 762 Views
What's the dispute on? - 19/09/2011 11:13:24 PM 592 Views
Seniority, Class Size, and Salaries. - 19/09/2011 11:41:40 PM 499 Views
and children have a right to an education. - 20/09/2011 12:30:20 AM 440 Views
So we ought to pay for it. - 20/09/2011 05:48:34 PM 423 Views
They aren't solving any problems. - 20/09/2011 08:33:22 PM 742 Views
I don't really agree with seniority/tenure as much, but class size... - 20/09/2011 07:42:39 PM 514 Views
That doesn't really tell me anything, you do realize. - 20/09/2011 08:41:50 PM 409 Views
You have to respect people for seeking more money? Seriously? - 20/09/2011 12:23:22 AM 513 Views
You don't get to use the "Think of the Children" argument... it belongs to the teachers. - 20/09/2011 05:52:36 PM 405 Views
I don't want them to do their job. Can I stop paying? - 21/09/2011 12:30:24 AM 673 Views
teachers don't only work 9 months of the year. - 21/09/2011 12:51:57 AM 586 Views
please stop with the poor underpaid teacher song - 21/09/2011 12:59:09 AM 411 Views
You don't mean DC, right? I'm roommates with a DC teacher, I feel like I would have noticed - 20/09/2011 01:02:00 AM 611 Views
seriously. if you break it down hourly... - 20/09/2011 01:48:40 AM 505 Views
Eh... I'm more union-friendly than most, but teachers' unions are pretty terrible. *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:11:09 AM 205 Views
I don't disagree *NM* - 20/09/2011 02:11:14 PM 205 Views
I agree they have a lot of "stuff," but I don't think much of it is unwarranted - 20/09/2011 02:30:35 PM 518 Views
being anti-teacher's union is not the same as being anti-teacher - 20/09/2011 03:32:57 PM 568 Views
That is similar to claiming to be pro-soldier and cutting the VA. - 20/09/2011 06:03:29 PM 549 Views
then the focus needs to be on finding an alternative. - 20/09/2011 06:36:42 PM 581 Views
I agree. - 20/09/2011 08:45:36 PM 445 Views
of please - 20/09/2011 06:56:04 PM 457 Views
You still don't get it, do you? - 20/09/2011 08:57:52 PM 558 Views
Do you have facts about how teachers are rated? - 20/09/2011 08:08:04 PM 539 Views
well teachers are rated differently in different systems - 20/09/2011 09:23:43 PM 608 Views
there are some really shitty charter schools too. - 20/09/2011 09:36:42 PM 430 Views
and they need to learn form the charter schools that are doing well - 20/09/2011 10:06:19 PM 532 Views
well there's some problems there - 21/09/2011 12:20:27 AM 529 Views
yes there is no perfect system just trade offs and choices - 21/09/2011 03:04:01 AM 622 Views
I agree with you - 21/09/2011 03:17:40 AM 620 Views
I've little sympathy here - 20/09/2011 03:08:58 AM 568 Views
I have no sympathy whatsoever. - 20/09/2011 03:26:29 AM 403 Views
I don't agree with all your opinions on schools... - 20/09/2011 04:21:01 AM 505 Views
Oooh, Cancer is a horrible disease that spreads wildly and kills you! - 20/09/2011 06:04:53 PM 522 Views
okay, except that those unions do the same thing. - 20/09/2011 06:39:27 PM 626 Views
Public sector unions need to be banned - 20/09/2011 04:30:00 AM 577 Views
No, they need to be replaced. - 20/09/2011 09:05:52 PM 376 Views
no they breed corruption and need to at the minimum be barred from political donations and strikes - 20/09/2011 09:51:38 PM 588 Views
The small government guy needs to ask? - 21/09/2011 12:39:05 AM 374 Views
the government guy has no answer *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:05:14 AM 315 Views
Good for them. - 20/09/2011 06:33:27 AM 591 Views
Fired them all, hire new teachers, end of problem..... *NM* - 20/09/2011 06:51:01 PM 220 Views
You missed the memo. - 20/09/2011 09:45:55 PM 453 Views
I would bet a lot of them will show up for the hire back interviews *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:07:05 PM 201 Views
+1, a huge number of them will come crawling back for jobs. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:11:09 PM 232 Views
That does make sure of getting the best and most able.... *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:52:32 PM 197 Views
lol. youre funny. I like you. *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:01:10 PM 180 Views

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