I think you just pinpointed my basic problem with vouchers.
Joel Send a noteboard - 13/10/2011 06:36:58 PM
I forgot that Medicaid is already state funded. From what I remember of stories when I lived back in Michigan everybody is quite unhappy with the job the state does to control "entitlement" abuses. Of course everybody is always unhappy with the job the government is doing.
I love privatization with EVERYTHING the government does and then giving the taxpayers the option to select public or private. If you select private then you get a voucher or tax refund for overpaying on services you didn't require from your government. Of course everyone will argue that it will create further inequality with the poor who can't afford the privatized offerings. I like to think of public offerings as the alternate to nothing at all rather than the norm. Unfortunately, government sponsored everything is the norm in today's world.
I think Obamacare is a great idea! Except I don't want it. I am in the military and if I had the chance to dump my "free" Tricare insurance, receive higher pay for services that I have elected not to use, and then go purchase my own private insurance, I would feel much better about my healthcare. Its a shady medical program we are forced to use.... Gimme my money and gimme my option I say!
I love privatization with EVERYTHING the government does and then giving the taxpayers the option to select public or private. If you select private then you get a voucher or tax refund for overpaying on services you didn't require from your government. Of course everyone will argue that it will create further inequality with the poor who can't afford the privatized offerings. I like to think of public offerings as the alternate to nothing at all rather than the norm. Unfortunately, government sponsored everything is the norm in today's world.
I think Obamacare is a great idea! Except I don't want it. I am in the military and if I had the chance to dump my "free" Tricare insurance, receive higher pay for services that I have elected not to use, and then go purchase my own private insurance, I would feel much better about my healthcare. Its a shady medical program we are forced to use.... Gimme my money and gimme my option I say!
Not that vouchers reduce both demand and funding for overtly public programs (though they certainly do so,) but that they spend taxpayer money on non-essential goods and services. They are so great a degree of dreaded "wasteful government spending" that even a hardcore liberal like me cannot accept them. If someone can and will privately purchase more and/or better services than bare survival requires, well and good; they earned and deserve it--but I see no reason taxpayers should purchase extra and/or non-essential services for those who simply WANT but cannot afford them.
Spending the nations money on things essential to the nation (food, shelter, healthcare, even clothing) is a no brainer unless one considers those without the means to purchase them net liabilities best eliminated. However, it is one thing to handout gritty bland government cheese to people who would otherwise starve and quite another to cut them a check for caviar on the taxpayers nickel. Subsistence is so much a federal responsibility that the Constitutions Preamble states "promot[ing] the general welfare" among its goals, but the federal government has neither duty nor right to spend any taxpayers money providing another MORE than subsistence.
In short, public programs should be neither the norm nor the alternative to nothing at all, but the STANDARD, the minimum survival requirements social contract government obligates states to ensure citizens. What value or even validity exists in a social contract government that cannot even prevent its constituents starving to death in return for their tax dollars? Yet if such a minimal and thus unsatisfying standard is the norm, the nation has done something very wrong, because then everyone wants but few can obtain more.
A superior private provider of goods and services is therefore as vital as a minimal public one as not only the means of greater achievement by the people, and the nation by extension, but the incentive for that achievement. Tax funded vouchers to get more than the minimum privately is just an incredibly insufficient attempt to normalize living standards in the worst Soviet tradition. This is getting a bit surreal, but the welfare state is not and was never meant to be taxpayer funded grab bag, and even Marx never said, "from each according to their ability, to each according to their WANT."
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States and Federal Government
13/10/2011 05:08:14 AM
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No.
13/10/2011 05:59:07 AM
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Re: No.
13/10/2011 07:07:14 AM
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Re: No.
13/10/2011 01:59:58 PM
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Economy of scale applies to every private bureaucracy, but not government ones.
13/10/2011 06:53:44 PM
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you can do it with block grants
13/10/2011 06:13:48 AM
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Believing the states can't do it, is not the same as saying the states will be less efficent or more *NM*
13/10/2011 06:42:34 AM
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Medicaid is already state-managed
13/10/2011 06:22:54 AM
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Yep, You're correct.
13/10/2011 06:53:38 AM
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I think you just pinpointed my basic problem with vouchers.
13/10/2011 06:36:58 PM
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I pretty much agree with this
13/10/2011 02:03:04 PM
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It may still be a better option though, but I wouldn't consider it a likely great success story
13/10/2011 09:23:16 PM
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No I do not believe they do could do Medicare or Social Security more effectively *NM*
13/10/2011 06:41:03 AM
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Care to elaborate? *NM*
13/10/2011 06:55:21 AM
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Would you rather have 50 insurance companies with different pay structures or 1?
14/10/2011 02:14:23 AM
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If programs to ensure federal citizen rights were divided among the states it would invite disparity
13/10/2011 06:50:02 PM
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13/10/2011 09:55:04 PM
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Because some things do not matter much with geography and culture
14/10/2011 02:20:04 AM
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Yet again I must disagree
14/10/2011 05:04:43 AM
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Think about fire, how much need will Alaska have for fire trucks? *NM*
14/10/2011 12:30:05 PM
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Some issues are exclusively local and best handled there, as are some resources.
14/10/2011 11:22:46 AM
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The first thought that came to mind.....
13/10/2011 08:55:36 PM
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Depends on the state and its legislators, doesn't it? But, generally, no. *NM*
14/10/2011 06:50:13 PM
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Pick your rapist and tell me why it makes a damn bit of difference. *NM*
15/10/2011 05:06:50 PM
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