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Re: The three fatal errors of the "Occupy Wall Street" movement everynametaken Send a noteboard - 29/10/2011 07:23:35 PM
There are three reasons why this movement is destined to fail. It really already is a failure, given that it has gone on as long as it has without gaining any appreciable traction. Even in the best of economic times, it is possible to gather a motley collection of homeless people, disgruntled baristas and bored students. The protestors run the gamut from Marxists to anti-war and anti-globalist demonstrators and have failed to gain any traction that would make their numbers statistically significant for any of the cities in which they're protesting. Now that the weather is getting colder, they're just going to end up being sent to the hospital, as some protestors in Denver already have been.

Regardless, there are three fatal errors that this (bowel?) movement made:

1. It attacked a symbol of America's prosperity. I think that the best article about the movement was written on October 14 in The Atlantic, and so I am pasting it here:

Occupy Wall Street's Greatest Strength is Neutering It

by Conor Friedersdorf

In the Joan Didion essay "Goodbye to All That," the California born writer observes that it is not possible for people in the East to appreciate what New York City means to other Americans. "To an Eastern child, particularly a child who has always had an uncle on Wall Street and who has spent several hundred Saturdays first at F.A.O. Schwarz and being fitted for shoes at Best's and then waiting under the Biltmore clock and dancing to Lester Lanin, New York is just a city, albeit the city, a plausible place for people to live," she writes. "But to those of us who came from places where no one had heard of Lester Lanin and Grand Central Station was a Saturday radio program, where Wall Street and Fifth Avenue and Madison Avenue were not places at all but abstractions ("Money," and "High Fashion," and "The Hucksters"), New York was no mere city."

Instead it was "an infinitely romantic notion, the mysterious nexus of all love and money and power," and so it remains. The Occupy Wall Street protestors beat their drums in lower Manhattan within sight of big financial firms and their suits. But their chants aren't aimed at Goldman Sachs and its board, or junior executives who commute in from Connecticut, so much as the average American's idea of Wall Street. The symbol is what gives the protestors and their movement the bulk of its strength -- and it is, at the same time, the movement's fatal weakness.

How to explain this seeming contradiction?

The protestors benefit by treating Wall Street as an abstraction because it permits them to tap into familiar narratives. Allies are made of everyone who believes, as so many do, that dishonest financial elites take advantage of the basically honest masses; that big, greedy corporations maximize their profits by screwing regular folks; that the top one percent of Americans possess wealth that is obviously incommensurate with what they've earned relative to "the 99 percent."

For Occupy Wall Street, the problem is that a counter-narrative every bit as familiar also appeals to many Americans. These are people who believe that wealth in this country accrues to talented people who work hard and benefit their fellow man through the market; that envying the successful is a kind of poison corrosive to any society; that to attack Wall Street is the same as declaring that you've got no confidence in capitalism itself; and that for all its flaws, our free market economic system has generated tremendous wealth and prosperity for rich and poor alike.

So long as the protestors in the financial districts of American cities attack symbolic Wall Street, they'll attract folks who see the world the same way that they do. As Matt Yglesias writes, it's "an incredibly useful platform for engagement and education." But an attack on symbolic Wall Street inevitably provokes a backlash by defenders of symbolic Wall Street, for whom it symbolizes different things. The ensuing debate is no likelier to end in a declared winner than a long conversation about political philosophy between Ronald Reagan against Jimmy Carter.

There is a time for battling over first principles and political philosophy, especially for those of us who enjoy doing it. But it isn't all the time. How remarkable that in America, where the political spectrum is so narrow relative to other countries, and the consensus in favor of being a mostly free market liberal democracy so large, our politics is so frequently mired in ideological battles; and waged in rhetoric that is absurd when one reflects on the continuity in ideology and policy from one Congress and presidency to another. It's no wonder that so many Americans are frustrated by political debate, political protest, and political campaigns. More often than not, they're all conducted at a level of abstraction that is both needless and maddening.

What drum circle would I join?

One dedicated to the proposition that it's often enough to grapple with the world as it is -- to see that we're not confronted by the impossible question, "Is Wall Street basically good or malign;" what we must actually answer are questions like, "What sort of regulations, if any, should govern the market for derivatives of mortgaged backed securities," and "Should the federal government subsidize home ownership," and "What should the reserve requirements be for lending institutions."

Those are contentious questions, and they can't be totally separated from value judgments or political philosophy. But they're manageable, in a society that agrees about as many things as ours, if we take them discretely, and avoid elevating them into symbolic battles about bigger things whenever it is possible. Figuring out precisely how to feel about Occupy Wall Street or "We are the 53 Percent" is difficult for many. Much easier to decide that it's wrong to create a mortgage-backed security filled with loans you know are going to fail so that you can sell it to a client who isn't aware that you sabotaged it by intentionally picking the misleadingly rated loans most likely to be defaulted upon; or that it actually doesn't make sense to blame Wall Street for inflation in college costs, the student loan market they spurred, and the culture that sent a message to too many young people that borrowing for education is always a good investment.

What I wonder is how many of the protestors realize that the case against symbolic Wall Street is actually much weaker than the one against actual Wall Street. Symbolic Wall Street is the financial center of earth's most prosperous country. Actual Wall Street's most powerful firms bear responsibility for the most serious economic downturn since the Great Depression. At times, actual Wall Street violated the law. It squandered many billions of dollars, inflating the market for mortgage backed securities that the people in charge didn't even understand. Taxpayer money was subsequently redistributed to these firms. That is a powerful case that reform is needed.

There is, however, a robust market in America for ideological thinking, for turning every matter into an epic battle in the war between right and left, red and blue, "the 53 percent" and "the 99 percent." Doing so swells the profits of Fox News and the email lists of Occupy Wall Street organizers and their allies, among many others. They're all in theoretically defensible businesses; but perverse incentives are at play, and we ought to insist, regularly, that we won't go along.

We ought to avoid always treating politics as "an infinitely romantic notion," for while there is a time for doing so, it's too often indulged. We too seldom address problems with solutions characterized by pragmatism and narrowness; we too seldom celebrate a proposal precisely because it permits us to improve the status quo without having to grapple with the bigger questions.

2. It Hasn't Created a Clear Message or Set of Demands. Oh yes, everyone says, "But that's its strength!" Sure, if by "strength" you mean "ability to gather marginals from different demi-mondes". This movement is essentially an expression of the failure of its participants in society as a whole. They don't really know exactly what they want to do or how to do it, and they're content with that. Well, the problem with that is that you're never going to get traction. There are millions of Americans who are angry and dissatisfied with Washington, the way the economic crisis has been handled and the way that reforms are being proposed. However, they don't want to join this protest. Why not? Because they don't know if they agree or disagree with it until they know what it wants to do. If OWS decides that it wants tough prosecution and investigations by the SEC of banks and bankers, and Washington is resisting that, you could see statistically significant numbers of people gathering and protesting. If OWS states that it wants to tear down the capitalist system, don't expect a lot of people to join - ever. By not expressing a set of demands or proposing a clear solution, OWS has consigned itself to be a small, fringe movement that will die off as the weather turns.


The people I have seen in the rallies aren't the type of people to inspire revolution, they are the types most people in most societies despise or at least denigrate as unrealistic ideologues with whacked out misconceptions/delusions of how life really works. They are essentially college undergrads with no real life experience to share with the rest of the "99%" who have responsibilities and obligations and no time to go camp out in the park. It is clear they have no real message and that no leaders have risen because the people participating are followers, not leaders themselves. And, even those opportunistic types with some charisma to get followers to trail after them that love to pop up in movements/revolutions have stayed away. In my opinion, those types see OWS for what it is, nothing worthy of their time.

3. No Exit Strategy. The original posts suggested protests for "a few months" but now it is clear that protestors don't know when or if they can go home without betraying the movement. Like their arch-nemesis George Bush in Iraq, they have no exit strategy. When can they declare victory and go home? Well...right now their movement looks like the War on Drugs, and there's no way to maintain enthusiasm through the snows of winter if they aren't accomplishing anything.

On that note, I'm happy that we're getting snow so early in New York. Maybe we can clear out the park with the help of a few thousand riot police and be done with it. Some water cannons should soak and freeze the stinking fetid unwashed idiots still there.
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-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
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The three fatal errors of the "Occupy Wall Street" movement - 29/10/2011 04:12:10 PM 1043 Views
They're occupying St Andrews Square in Edinburgh - 29/10/2011 04:21:11 PM 516 Views
I had a run in with them this week - 29/10/2011 06:01:30 PM 537 Views
They're camping at a park in my town, too. - 30/10/2011 08:21:06 PM 491 Views
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The unwarranted sense of entitlement is disgusting. - 29/10/2011 06:40:42 PM 541 Views
The funniest report about the whole situation that I have watched. - 29/10/2011 06:57:44 PM 550 Views
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Re: The three fatal errors of the "Occupy Wall Street" movement - 29/10/2011 07:23:35 PM 537 Views
Yes, they are really the 0.0625%, not the 99%. - 30/10/2011 04:57:39 PM 467 Views
Reason Number 4 - 30/10/2011 12:22:12 PM 623 Views
One good thing is coming out of the protests, though. - 30/10/2011 05:00:52 PM 529 Views
one thing i've noticed is that OWS brings out a lot of professional protesters - 30/10/2011 07:14:54 PM 580 Views
I couldn't agree more. - 30/10/2011 08:16:58 PM 578 Views
I think the movement is here to stay - 01/11/2011 07:47:29 AM 642 Views
Yes, so much of OWS seems like protesting for the sake of protesting. - 08/11/2011 11:02:01 PM 479 Views
Oh, and also.... - 08/11/2011 11:06:47 PM 515 Views

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