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The list of Obama industry handouts conservatives attack as socialism is beginning to fatigue me. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/11/2011 01:53:58 PM
Is it a marketing tool, is that it? "I will introduce this new form of corporate welfare, then you guys attack it as tax and spend activist government so the public does not realize it is an industry handout."

It was not a tax, but was unnecessary. If the Christmas tree growers want to run an advertising campaign, let them and the consumers who respond pay for it, but I do not pay the USDAs salary so they can help the industry do it. The real question is why there is not similar outrage over the fact "at least 18 other agricultural commodities" already enjoy the same taxpayer assistance under "a board of industry representatives [that] make[s] decisions." The absurdity of a Cheney lackey insisting, "The American Christmas tree has a great image that doesn't need any help from the government" despite the industrys equal insistence that it needed just that is entertaining, but obscures the deeper and broader issue here. I had no idea the various agricultural promotions with which Americans are so familiar were government assisted (not that I was supposed to) and still have no idea WHY. All the same concerns about the cost being passed along to consumer-taxpayers in the form of higher prices exist there, not just on December 25th, but every day, all year. Why are we spending money for government employees to help industries find ways to convince us to spend yet more money on their products that will cost still more money to recoup the fee they pay government for the help?
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So, accidentally just got in a facebook argument with an opinionated person. - 10/11/2011 02:00:37 PM 967 Views
I don't understand the point of advertising Christmas trees, and I'm suprised the objection isn't - 10/11/2011 02:13:49 PM 605 Views
Christmas tree farmers seem to think they need help. - 10/11/2011 02:41:41 PM 565 Views
I get that, it's just surprising to me. - 10/11/2011 02:52:18 PM 564 Views
Yeah. - 10/11/2011 03:06:53 PM 419 Views
Why are we supporting an industry that does nothing but chop down healthy trees to throw them away? - 10/11/2011 02:30:10 PM 603 Views
Well, for the most part that is the reason they were planted in the first place. - 10/11/2011 02:34:09 PM 502 Views
this is what people always say - 10/11/2011 02:43:45 PM 574 Views
Hahahaha - 10/11/2011 02:56:17 PM 561 Views
lol - 10/11/2011 03:20:32 PM 521 Views
Once again, a needless industry. *NM* - 10/11/2011 04:12:21 PM 223 Views
That is only half of what they do. - 10/11/2011 02:37:49 PM 627 Views
Was this response directed at me? - 10/11/2011 04:11:01 PM 498 Views
You know it was. - 10/11/2011 04:24:27 PM 444 Views
These are trees that are planted specifically for that purpose... and then replacements are planted. - 10/11/2011 02:42:04 PM 488 Views
That is the very definition of needless consumerist waste. - 10/11/2011 04:07:34 PM 517 Views
Shrug, may as well say the same thing about annual flowers - 10/11/2011 04:14:51 PM 513 Views
Not really. - 10/11/2011 06:06:44 PM 496 Views
Heh. - 10/11/2011 04:27:25 PM 538 Views
*NM* - 10/11/2011 04:31:36 PM 215 Views
In an ideal world, yes. - 10/11/2011 06:12:29 PM 516 Views
Re: That is the very definition of needless consumerist waste. - 10/11/2011 05:17:06 PM 573 Views
You really are an idiot. *NM* - 10/11/2011 06:14:12 PM 219 Views
And you are a nice, thoughtful person. - 10/11/2011 06:23:45 PM 431 Views
Yes, making up things. Like thinking every skanky waitress has the hots for you. - 11/11/2011 12:17:02 AM 441 Views
Aww, you do care. - 19/11/2011 05:51:06 AM 603 Views
I dunno - what are the relative environmental impacts? - 10/11/2011 04:39:54 PM 550 Views
I haven't crunched numbers but I was thinking about the same thing. - 10/11/2011 10:18:26 PM 640 Views
There's no reason trees can't still be grown and harvested. - 11/11/2011 12:15:28 AM 450 Views
Nossy - 10/11/2011 02:48:36 PM 564 Views
It was an accident. - 10/11/2011 02:50:19 PM 510 Views
You though the internet was reasonable *NM* - 10/11/2011 03:21:05 PM 211 Views
To be fair, she was very gracious about it. We agreed to disagree. *NM* - 10/11/2011 03:23:42 PM 222 Views
Damn it - 10/11/2011 03:35:06 PM 442 Views
Also - 10/11/2011 02:57:40 PM 572 Views
Em? - 10/11/2011 03:08:19 PM 538 Views
I tried too. *NM* - 10/11/2011 10:33:37 PM 242 Views
Sarah Palin would never tax Christmas. - 10/11/2011 07:56:29 PM 461 Views
An opinionated person on the internet? I don't believe you for a second! - 10/11/2011 10:24:02 PM 508 Views
Re: An opinionated person on the internet? I don't believe you for a second! - 10/11/2011 11:41:11 PM 548 Views
The list of Obama industry handouts conservatives attack as socialism is beginning to fatigue me. - 11/11/2011 01:53:58 PM 925 Views

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