The only way that I think the votes would change is if a justice died or had to retire.
Tom Send a noteboard - 09/02/2012 06:56:40 PM
The tricky thing is that, unlike issues of Substantive Due Process, which Scalia holds does not exist (and Alito, Roberts and Thomas have been heavily influenced by him and adhere to his position), this is a question of actual Due Process. As a result, it is possible, though not likely, that one of the four conservative justices could actually side with a majority in a qualified opinion supporting the verdict only but with heavy dicta that no decision is being made that civil union laws would need to be replaced with marriage laws.
The reason for this is that the Ninth Circuit judges seemed to really grasp, for once, that they are a laughingstock because of their overly liberal interpretations, and that if they wanted to actually make the situation of homosexuals in California better, rather than worse, they would have to really produce a thorough opinion that would lay the groundwork for a successful appeal.
I think that anyone who attempts to compare this case to Lawrence v. Texas is going in completely the wrong direction, however. The question there was privacy, and here it is a direct equal rights issue.
The reason for this is that the Ninth Circuit judges seemed to really grasp, for once, that they are a laughingstock because of their overly liberal interpretations, and that if they wanted to actually make the situation of homosexuals in California better, rather than worse, they would have to really produce a thorough opinion that would lay the groundwork for a successful appeal.
I think that anyone who attempts to compare this case to Lawrence v. Texas is going in completely the wrong direction, however. The question there was privacy, and here it is a direct equal rights issue.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
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Same Sex Marriage legal in California again, 9th Circuit Court of Appeals overturns prop 8
07/02/2012 08:21:12 PM
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What a rollercoaster. Guess it's going in the right direction, though.
07/02/2012 09:08:53 PM
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While I usually think the Ninth Circuit is smoking crack, this was a reasonable decision. *NM*
07/02/2012 09:38:17 PM
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not crack, more like marijuana for "medicinal" purposes....
*NM*
08/02/2012 03:41:20 AM
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Medicinal marijuana could not make the Ninth Circuit as crazy as they are.
08/02/2012 06:12:31 AM
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It's funny how religious laws are when this is supposed to be the land of religious freedom
07/02/2012 10:10:35 PM
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Finally. My and MGB's fantasy of being married by Patrick Stewart at San Diego Comic Con comes true. *NM*
07/02/2012 10:22:25 PM
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did you give him a ring yet? if not, you'll have to wait
*NM*
07/02/2012 10:41:52 PM
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No point being in a hurry. It takes forever to get tickets to Comic Con. *NM*
07/02/2012 10:47:51 PM
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I disagree with this ruling. *NM*
08/02/2012 03:49:47 AM
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Well I disagree with my tax dollars being used on the purchasing of Tanks *NM*
08/02/2012 03:59:06 AM
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SCOTUS will overturn this ruling and uphold the ban,,,,,
09/02/2012 01:16:00 AM
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Very unlikely. The most likely outcome is a 5-4 decision upholding the 9th Circuit. *NM*
09/02/2012 01:24:08 AM
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Sure looks like it; good news for gays, bad news for Obama.
09/02/2012 02:23:24 AM
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The only way that I think the votes would change is if a justice died or had to retire.
09/02/2012 06:56:40 PM
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You lost me at bad news for Obama. How is such a ruling going to hurt him?
09/02/2012 08:45:28 PM
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Turn out
09/02/2012 10:53:07 PM
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You see, this is where I start to like those social conservatives.
09/02/2012 11:41:18 PM
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Roland pretty much covered it.
09/02/2012 11:35:06 PM
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5-4 decision overturning the 9th Circuit - no doubt..... *NM*
09/02/2012 03:09:17 AM
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You think Kennedy is going to vote to overturn? *NM*
09/02/2012 03:53:49 AM
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Yes, this case has nothing to do with gay marriage.....
09/02/2012 04:05:03 AM
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You really don't know what you are talking about
09/02/2012 04:18:35 AM
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Nice try, but no dice. SCOTUS will rule that it doesn't violate the 14th amendment. *NM*
09/02/2012 04:21:30 AM
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Do you hear what you are saying?
09/02/2012 04:27:15 AM
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You are getting confused.....SCOTUS will rule that the public vote doesn't violate.....
09/02/2012 04:45:38 AM
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Congrats; sucks for Obama and Congressional Dems though.
09/02/2012 02:38:22 AM
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