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Programmed or conditioned behavior is not really worthy of praise or scorn, only conscious choice is Isaac Send a noteboard - 25/07/2012 02:55:29 PM
even to the detriment of their own health and survival. The guy shoved the three month old onto the floor while his wife took the the 6 year old and THEN he ran out of the theater and got into his car and started driving off. Sorry, I am not trying to be self-righteous, but that whole scenario just makes him look really bad. Add onto it that they then decided to go on TV and talk about it and now the whole proposal thing and the fact that he had kids there and he just looks like a douche bag. Oh and really nice taking a three month old into a loud theater - bad for the baby's hearing alone let alone all the other things just mentioned.


Well, you do come off self-righteous and I'm not going to sugar-coat things by saying I don't think you mean to. Obviously you're not trying to, that doesn't change that you are coming off that way and I don't think it's because we're misinterpreting your thoughts or remarks. Now, you can chalk this up to instinct, conditioning, and background, in which case there's not much to say, we do not blame people for flinching or ducking or running on instinct. Alternatively you can say he had room for conscious thought and moral decision making and weighing his options, but the evidence is against that viewpoint, and regardless we don't know what he was thinking, because he does not know what he was thinking. He merely has a jumbled distorted memory of events annotated in guilt, rationalization, and all the other all-too-human hindsight and after-action thinking processes. There's no witness come forward saying they saw him make some deliberate decision, not that I'd believe one anyway if they did. I don't see you have the moral right to judge him, but even if I ceded you that I don't think you have the data to do it nor a lack of bias to do it right. Sorry, but that's my opinion on the matter. The man panicked and either made no conscious choice or a poor one in very understandable circumstances. That doesn't merit a charge of cowardice in my book, he didn't cover himself in glory but such circumstances, few do and he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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If you were in the Aurora theater with your infant, would you leave them him and run to safety? - 24/07/2012 03:46:16 AM 1177 Views
If I were in the theatre I would rather die than expose my child to harm. - 24/07/2012 04:41:34 AM 445 Views
exactly *NM* - 24/07/2012 06:12:35 AM 231 Views
I pray I wouldn't be such a coward in those circumstances. - 24/07/2012 09:21:30 AM 506 Views
she seriously said that? - 24/07/2012 11:25:56 AM 447 Views
No *NM* - 24/07/2012 12:08:09 PM 195 Views
Yeah that's messed up on so many levels - 24/07/2012 11:46:57 AM 420 Views
I'd warn you guys off rendering judgment to freely here - 24/07/2012 12:40:14 PM 627 Views
Thank you for that. *NM* - 24/07/2012 01:47:50 PM 190 Views
I agree. - 24/07/2012 02:25:58 PM 441 Views
All this. - 24/07/2012 06:20:27 PM 413 Views
Well said. *NM* - 24/07/2012 11:11:17 PM 192 Views
Plus one. - 25/07/2012 02:52:01 AM 454 Views
Um. - 25/07/2012 05:37:17 AM 420 Views
Yes, people are programmed to survive but they are also programmed to protect their young. - 25/07/2012 07:51:59 AM 453 Views
Programmed or conditioned behavior is not really worthy of praise or scorn, only conscious choice is - 25/07/2012 02:55:29 PM 371 Views
Where did you see that he shoved the kid to the floor? - 25/07/2012 02:56:38 PM 407 Views
I was using shoving as in "putting somewhere" no actually pushing down. - 25/07/2012 07:38:12 PM 351 Views
Look - 25/07/2012 11:06:02 PM 373 Views
This is the sort of thing I'd really rather not see right now. - 24/07/2012 03:10:11 PM 350 Views
I have been shot at and it is pretty damn scary - 24/07/2012 04:05:37 PM 441 Views
Yes, that was my thought as well: who takes a baby to a movie? - 24/07/2012 04:36:29 PM 410 Views
I am glad to see you guys are surprised by this - 24/07/2012 04:47:11 PM 402 Views
Re: I am glad to see you guys are surprised by this - 24/07/2012 05:02:59 PM 359 Views
Yeah, it's rude. - 24/07/2012 06:41:43 PM 392 Views
I just don't get that - 24/07/2012 10:14:47 PM 368 Views
I'm not sure I do either. - 25/07/2012 05:42:37 AM 357 Views
My thoughts exactly. - 25/07/2012 07:23:17 AM 356 Views
Mine is six and I wouldn't take her to go see any movie at a midnight show - 24/07/2012 05:26:18 PM 339 Views
Same. I've been shot at, too. I ran like hell. - 24/07/2012 11:20:07 PM 391 Views
I don't get it. - 24/07/2012 04:46:54 PM 441 Views
Same here, I was going to post about that before seeing you already had - 24/07/2012 07:41:27 PM 406 Views
In case of an emergency, put on your own breath mask first. - 24/07/2012 09:28:35 PM 412 Views
I would rip the gunmans fucking head off. *NM* - 25/07/2012 06:42:52 PM 193 Views

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