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If they advocate violence, I see no problem monitoring them. Joel Send a noteboard - 08/08/2012 08:22:20 PM
I wonder if the shooter in the Sikh temple confused the Sikh community for Muslims because of the turbans..or if he just wanted to kill "foreigners"....either way...two attacks on minorities in 24 hours. Since the Shooter in the Sikh mosque was a white supremacist, I wonder if the FBI and Homeland Security are going to step up their efforts to phone tap, infiltrate, and monitor white supremacy hate groups in this country to prevent further attacks.

This stuff makes my skin crawl 10X worse.

It is not exactly unprecedented; the FBI and other government agencies have infiltrated and surveilled the Klan, Black Panthers and similar groups for decades. They did it with US Al Qaeda operatives well before 911; my only regret is that better inter-agency coordination would have been prevented 911. The SCOTUS has been very clear there is no First Amendment right to falsely shout, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater.

We are not talking about government surveilling EVERYONE (at least I am not,) only people with documented histories of advocating and/or committing violence. I would certainly never support fishing expeditions through everyones private life, without evidence (e.g. the "USA PATRIOT" Acts warrantless wiretaps.) Yet disputing that "those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear," is not the same as disputing that "those with exposed crimes should be free of scrutiny." It is similar to the difference between saying, "no one should have a gun," and saying, "no one proven a criminal and/or mentally ill should have a gun."
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Mosque Burned in Missouri ; Sikh Temple attacked...I hope this doesnt encourage copycats..... - 06/08/2012 09:05:00 PM 791 Views
Dreadful stuff. - 06/08/2012 11:51:11 PM 397 Views
It is heart breaking. - 07/08/2012 12:51:49 AM 425 Views
As much as I oppose racial supremacy movements... - 07/08/2012 09:42:36 PM 463 Views
If they advocate violence, I see no problem monitoring them. - 08/08/2012 08:22:20 PM 435 Views
Government cannot surveill/infiltrate/arrest violent white supremacists: That would be racist. - 08/08/2012 08:11:24 PM 440 Views
Joel Joel Joel, I see they still haven't found a cure for crazy. - 08/08/2012 08:39:04 PM 355 Views
Giffords made the allegation against Palin; feel free to tell her she was NOT subsequently shot. - 09/08/2012 01:33:50 AM 577 Views
You're seriously blaming Palin for Loughner? That's so absurdly debunked at every level *NM* - 09/08/2012 02:30:21 AM 201 Views
Again, I believe Gabrielle Giffords made that connection, about a year before it was proven valid. - 09/08/2012 02:50:10 AM 402 Views
Okay, that's bullshit - 09/08/2012 02:53:46 AM 437 Views
She suggested putting a crosshairs on her district endangered her life; that is now hard to dispute. - 09/08/2012 03:50:13 AM 392 Views
Easy to dispute. Did Loughner claim to have seen it? Did Christian Bale cause Colorado? - 09/08/2012 05:47:59 AM 376 Views
Has Loughner said much of anything? Did Christian Bale put a target on CO? - 09/08/2012 06:11:17 AM 404 Views
Do you realize how crazy you sound? - 09/08/2012 10:31:16 PM 391 Views
I love how you and rt keep calling me (and, by extension, Giffords, whom I am quoting) crazy. - 09/08/2012 11:00:35 PM 453 Views
If the shoe fits Joel - 10/08/2012 12:11:44 AM 337 Views
"If the shoe fits" is precisely my point. - 10/08/2012 12:18:17 AM 502 Views
Did you lose all ability to make raitonal arguments while you were away? - 10/08/2012 01:21:08 AM 492 Views
No. - 10/08/2012 02:09:26 AM 499 Views
Yeah, you really are - 10/08/2012 02:27:25 AM 534 Views
I think the shooting in Norway unhinged him *NM* - 10/08/2012 04:17:29 AM 204 Views
It certainly seems that way - 10/08/2012 04:27:32 AM 419 Views
Does she claim now that Palin was responsible for the shooting? - 10/08/2012 04:15:50 AM 377 Views
You believe whatever fits your world view reggardless of facts - 09/08/2012 04:49:39 AM 376 Views
If you insist on blaming the victim, do it to her face. - 09/08/2012 06:09:45 AM 443 Views
To play a little Devil's Advocate: - 09/08/2012 07:39:40 PM 666 Views
How would that work? - 09/08/2012 10:25:25 PM 557 Views
Re: How would that work? - 10/08/2012 12:15:53 AM 571 Views
I do not consider it directly responsible, no. - 10/08/2012 12:55:40 AM 556 Views
By that argument Obama is trying to get Romney killed - 10/08/2012 04:28:38 AM 420 Views
I read on Twitter where they raised enough money to pay for rebuilding costs in two days - 10/08/2012 07:39:31 AM 378 Views
That is good. - 10/08/2012 12:20:15 PM 396 Views
*like* - 10/08/2012 02:51:26 PM 412 Views

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