"No one has been negatively affected by his execution" is an odd way to justify one. And one that is hard to proof for that matter. Either way, more important is the question if any of the victims families feel better since McVeigh got killed. Doubtful. But even if that's the case, it's not a country's job to take revenge on anyone. It's an outdated and wrong concept. Punishment is about keeping the culprit from doing the same again and taking his freedom, that's it. That's what Norway does now and therefore keeps the higher ground.
I don't use the "negatively affected" notion to justify and/or argue in favor of execution. I use it because that's an argument I've heard as reasoning against execution.
Regarding the ability to prove: I agree completely.
Regarding the victim's families' feelings: You say it's doubtful they feel any better. I don't know for sure, but my guess is that some do and some don't. But I'm not sure why you think that's the more important question.
You write: " . . . it's not a country's job to take revenge on anyone." Firstly, that implies it is someone's job. Tell me whose it is. Secondly, I disagree. Imprisonment is a form of revenge. Revenge does not have to be tit for tat. One of government's specific jobs is to catch and punish, by imprisonment or otherwise, those who break the laws of the society. We want governemnt to do that, or else it's anarchy--somewhat like the Old West in the U.S.
You say punishment is about keeping the culprit from doing the same and taking his freedom. Execution accomplishes those two things. Unless you think of death as a different kind of freedom, I suppose.
I honestly don't understand the last bit. Please explain. How does Norway "keep the higher ground" by putting him in prison for the rest of his life as opposed to executing him?
But people arguing pro and contra capital punishment will always go around in circles. They have two entirely different mindsets and none will ever convince the other.
It doesn't always have to go around in circles, nor will no one's mind never be changed. But I do agree, that those are usually how the arguments turn out.
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Norway killer Anders Breivik ruled sane, given 21-year prison term
- 24/08/2012 11:35:06 AM
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Only 21 years? Weaksauce. *NM*
- 24/08/2012 02:35:56 PM
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It can be extended if they think he's still a danger. *NM*
- 24/08/2012 03:24:41 PM
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How do they decide that?
- 24/08/2012 04:22:31 PM
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[Norway, 20 years from now]
- 24/08/2012 04:42:45 PM
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OR
- 24/08/2012 04:54:39 PM
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Pretty sure mine's more futuristically accurate. *NM*
- 24/08/2012 05:23:33 PM
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Your extensive experience with forensic psychology is really shining through here. *NM*
- 25/08/2012 11:08:28 AM
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Is it that simple?
- 24/08/2012 05:04:34 PM
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Actually, in the sentence declared...
- 24/08/2012 05:10:44 PM
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If that's so . . .
- 24/08/2012 05:19:51 PM
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Well, obviously, it's in case he reforms
- 24/08/2012 08:02:48 PM
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That's where the system goes wrong though.
- 24/08/2012 08:46:49 PM
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There is a point to keep him locked up. Actually, 77 points.
- 25/08/2012 06:12:36 PM
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I agree.
- 25/08/2012 06:26:34 PM
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From what I can tell they do it that way to impose a minimum sentence without parole.
- 26/08/2012 01:28:21 AM
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really? I hate the media
- 24/08/2012 09:22:03 PM
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Jonte is right about forvaring, but it is so foreign to us media overlooking it is hardly surprising
- 26/08/2012 01:16:17 AM
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LOL, my wife and I have nearly given up on an English translation of "forvaring."
- 26/08/2012 12:50:19 AM
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Can you give some version of it?
- 26/08/2012 01:38:07 AM
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Did, in my response to rt.
- 26/08/2012 01:55:05 AM
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Timothy McVeigh was executed.
- 24/08/2012 05:13:49 PM
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I never did understand the point of this trial
- 24/08/2012 06:27:57 PM
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Well, wouldn't the answer be that nobody goes to any sort of institution w/o first
- 24/08/2012 06:39:56 PM
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I mostly agree with you.
- 24/08/2012 06:48:04 PM
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What people think.
- 25/08/2012 07:03:02 PM
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hm
- 25/08/2012 07:34:05 PM
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So far, it looks like I am wrong
- 25/08/2012 09:28:09 PM
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I don't know if being a sociopath is the same as being insane.
- 25/08/2012 09:30:47 PM
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Which is the biggest reason I probably need to be more hip to the definitions.
- 25/08/2012 09:52:19 PM
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Yeah, exactly. That kinda makes it impossible for me to vote. *NM*
- 26/08/2012 12:10:38 AM
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It is really REALLY hard to decide; even professional have had difficulty.
- 26/08/2012 02:08:43 AM
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21 years for killing 70+ people - Norway is a crazy, crazy place. *NM*
- 25/08/2012 04:44:07 PM
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Did you read any of the other replies in this post?
- 25/08/2012 05:24:21 PM
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Did you really expect him to read when he had the opportunity to be loud and snippy? *NM*
- 26/08/2012 01:40:30 AM
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It would be an understatement to say I have mixed feelings about this.
- 26/08/2012 12:39:19 AM
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For those who are confused about the premise of the Norwegian justice system
- 26/08/2012 09:25:18 AM
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I fear this clarification may further confuse things, by making punishment seem a non-factor.
- 26/08/2012 09:41:48 PM
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