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Mostly for the first reason you stated, and that nossy stated. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/08/2012 01:54:11 AM
Is it just about deciding exactly which sort of institution he goes into, a criminally insane one, or just a criminal one? It just seems so needless, especially since it forced so many of the victims to have to relive through that day and give testimony.

Whether ruling him sane will encourage extremist copycats, or ruling him insane would discourage them by showing political views used as pretext for murder will be dismissed as dangerous luncy, has been hotly debated here, and probably will continue to be. Aside from that, a just sentence requires knowing whether he is out of his mind and therefore not responsible for his actions or simply a rational cold blooded murderer. Anyone who shoots their neighbors believing them alien lizards come to destroy the Earth should be in a padded cell, but that is inappropriate for someone who just shoots them in the course of robbing their homes.

But at least it's done now, and he'll be in jail hopefully forever. Though I do also wonder why Norway doesn't just have sentences above 21 years. If everyone already assumed that he will be imprisoned for the rest of his life, then this is a life sentence in all but name, so what's the point of sugar coating it? Is it more humane to call it 21+ instead of for life or something?

Kind of like we used to do with "99 years to life." Norways forvaring law is only about a decade old, and created as a stricter penalty than the sikring law that predated it. I did not pay much attention to Norwegian law then, but imagine the terms of the forvaring law were a compromise between sides who wanted far stricter laws and those who wanted to preserve the existing ones.

Frankly, I think Breiviks decade of meticulous planning for murder, joining gun clubs as a pretext to buy weapons he did not obtain until several years later, constructing uniforms that fooled genuine police, incorporating an agricultural firm just to buy large quantities of fertilizer and going out of his way to avoid suspicion throughout are as unprecedented as the number of victims. Norway did not plan for that because it had simply never happened, not here nor anywhere. So they passed a tougher law that still left room for proof of rehabilitation even after the worst crimes. Breiviks record of detailed and duplicitous long term planning makes proving his reform impossible though, so even under the current law there is virtually no chance he will ever be free.
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Norway killer Anders Breivik ruled sane, given 21-year prison term - 24/08/2012 11:35:06 AM 1381 Views
Only 21 years? Weaksauce. *NM* - 24/08/2012 02:35:56 PM 281 Views
It can be extended if they think he's still a danger. *NM* - 24/08/2012 03:24:41 PM 265 Views
How do they decide that? - 24/08/2012 04:22:31 PM 531 Views
[Norway, 20 years from now] - 24/08/2012 04:42:45 PM 755 Views
OR - 24/08/2012 04:54:39 PM 609 Views
Pretty sure mine's more futuristically accurate. *NM* - 24/08/2012 05:23:33 PM 288 Views
Naive, my young friend. Very naive. *NM* - 24/08/2012 05:48:16 PM 260 Views
Just because ... - 24/08/2012 09:16:20 PM 597 Views
The term should be [Norwegian psychologist] anyway. - 24/08/2012 05:28:26 PM 599 Views
Is it that simple? - 24/08/2012 05:04:34 PM 705 Views
Actually, in the sentence declared... - 24/08/2012 05:10:44 PM 638 Views
If that's so . . . - 24/08/2012 05:19:51 PM 735 Views
Re: If that's so . . . - 24/08/2012 05:26:58 PM 718 Views
The confusion is based on ignorance. - 24/08/2012 05:59:09 PM 589 Views
Well, obviously, it's in case he reforms - 24/08/2012 08:02:48 PM 571 Views
Yes. *NM* - 24/08/2012 08:35:43 PM 257 Views
That's where the system goes wrong though. - 24/08/2012 08:46:49 PM 601 Views
and then dump the cage in a deep lake *NM* - 24/08/2012 09:23:14 PM 374 Views
that is full of bull and tiger sharks - 25/08/2012 01:13:40 AM 620 Views
There is a point to keep him locked up. Actually, 77 points. - 25/08/2012 06:12:36 PM 628 Views
I agree. - 25/08/2012 06:26:34 PM 644 Views
I don't know if I agree with that. - 25/08/2012 06:53:55 PM 668 Views
Personally ... - 25/08/2012 07:20:03 PM 791 Views
Breivik will always be a threat. - 26/08/2012 01:36:34 AM 641 Views
From what I can tell they do it that way to impose a minimum sentence without parole. - 26/08/2012 01:28:21 AM 730 Views
Yes, very foreign frame of reference. - 26/08/2012 04:36:19 PM 648 Views
The only thing I wish they would add is consecutive sentences. - 26/08/2012 10:26:28 PM 719 Views
really? I hate the media - 24/08/2012 09:22:03 PM 595 Views
Well, media doesn't understand the Norwegian judicial system - 25/08/2012 05:40:15 AM 688 Views
LOL, my wife and I have nearly given up on an English translation of "forvaring." - 26/08/2012 12:50:19 AM 728 Views
Can you give some version of it? - 26/08/2012 01:38:07 AM 571 Views
Did, in my response to rt. - 26/08/2012 01:55:05 AM 559 Views
I blame having two dozen windows open. - 26/08/2012 02:58:28 PM 657 Views
*feels your pain* - 26/08/2012 08:46:01 PM 509 Views
The harshest punishment the law allows? - 24/08/2012 05:00:26 PM 538 Views
Good. *NM* - 24/08/2012 02:47:21 PM 299 Views
Timothy McVeigh was executed. - 24/08/2012 05:13:49 PM 665 Views
Umm.... - 24/08/2012 05:24:19 PM 718 Views
You have some weird ideas about punishment - 24/08/2012 05:46:49 PM 688 Views
Re: Umm.... - 24/08/2012 05:54:27 PM 594 Views
Re: Umm.... - 24/08/2012 10:04:09 PM 703 Views
Re: Umm.... - 25/08/2012 06:48:02 PM 532 Views
I never did understand the point of this trial - 24/08/2012 06:27:57 PM 719 Views
Mostly for the first reason you stated, and that nossy stated. - 26/08/2012 01:54:11 AM 584 Views
I mostly agree with you. - 24/08/2012 06:48:04 PM 621 Views
What people think. - 25/08/2012 07:03:02 PM 574 Views
hm - 25/08/2012 07:34:05 PM 693 Views
So far, it looks like I am wrong - 25/08/2012 09:28:09 PM 634 Views
I don't know if being a sociopath is the same as being insane. - 25/08/2012 09:30:47 PM 599 Views
Yeah, exactly. That kinda makes it impossible for me to vote. *NM* - 26/08/2012 12:10:38 AM 309 Views
It isn't. - 26/08/2012 09:22:22 AM 570 Views
Me? - 26/08/2012 04:43:05 PM 598 Views

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