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Ha! Yeah, all personal faults aside Dark Knight Send a noteboard - 30/08/2012 07:54:13 PM
Donald Trump might be the closest you can get.

All kidding aside, they were mostly amazing men. Though definitely a product of their time. If men (or women) with similar skills arise today, they probably develop different philosophies and almost certainly do not go into politics.


That's what I was thinking. Politics is such a snake pit. It's almost like you're corrupted just by being a politican.
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Anybody here ever studied the founding fathers of America? Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 07:34:28 PM 931 Views
Slave-owning, mysoginist, wig-wearing members of the landed elite? Bored - 30/08/2012 07:51:33 PM 674 Views
Ha! Yeah, all personal faults aside Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 07:54:13 PM 611 Views
Not John Adams or Alexander Hamilton.....fool! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 31/08/2012 05:18:05 AM 349 Views
No, never, not even briefly. Joel - 30/08/2012 07:57:39 PM 702 Views
What? Nooooo way Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 08:06:30 PM 694 Views
My US history class was an hour long and I always got distracted by a butterfly or something. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:50:39 PM 645 Views
Did you just kinda compare yourself to the founding fathers? nossy - 30/08/2012 08:08:40 PM 733 Views
Not positively, but I have often thought they were a bad influence on me. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:21:48 PM 718 Views
Funny, my reaction to sentences like those is nearly the opposite. Legolas - 30/08/2012 08:11:34 PM 666 Views
Fair point; it is revealing that none of the Bill of Rights amendments have multiple sections. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:39:24 PM 742 Views
You're projecting. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2012 12:48:12 AM 311 Views
I am aspiring. Joel - 31/08/2012 01:09:40 AM 810 Views
As a personal aside ... Nate - 31/08/2012 01:43:45 AM 742 Views
Yes. nossy - 31/08/2012 01:49:41 AM 761 Views
Like I say, maybe I invest too much in online posting. Joel - 31/08/2012 02:02:58 AM 810 Views
Re: Nate - 31/08/2012 02:27:00 AM 768 Views
Re: Re: Joel - 31/08/2012 02:37:35 AM 776 Views
Well nossy - 31/08/2012 02:54:25 AM 779 Views
It does get repetitive too often. Joel - 31/08/2012 05:07:41 AM 788 Views
Doesn't really matter. You're gonna keep doing it. nossy - 31/08/2012 05:16:23 AM 728 Views
Maybe.... Joel - 31/08/2012 05:03:11 PM 770 Views
Re: Maybe.... nossy - 31/08/2012 05:15:52 PM 586 Views
Re: Maybe.... Joel - 31/08/2012 06:18:32 PM 734 Views
You aren't Plato, Burke, or Madison. Ghavrel - 31/08/2012 10:34:22 AM 690 Views
That is why it is aspiration rather than equivalence. Joel - 31/08/2012 05:01:20 PM 652 Views
I'm not so sure you're entirely right. nossy - 30/08/2012 11:06:39 PM 823 Views
I did. They smelled of mahogany and death. They looked scabby and skeletal. TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2012 12:35:44 AM 714 Views
Sounds like you have a job to do. Joel - 31/08/2012 01:11:10 AM 713 Views
Don't forget Hamilton! The creator of the American economy..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 31/08/2012 05:19:50 AM 362 Views
... and big government. Joel - 01/09/2012 01:54:20 PM 598 Views
I don't really buy that..... Anonymous2000 - 01/09/2012 08:33:28 PM 655 Views
Hamilton loudly and often advocated a central bank, national debt and active federal government. Joel - 01/09/2012 08:41:50 PM 859 Views
I think the entire Age of Enlightenment is fascinating random thoughts - 31/08/2012 06:32:23 PM 626 Views
You realize you just made a great argument for intelligentsia rule, right? Joel - 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM 723 Views
I would want better intelligenstia first random thoughts - 01/09/2012 02:48:28 PM 804 Views
Ah, the old uneducated>miseducated argument. Joel - 01/09/2012 03:39:07 PM 742 Views
*wonders if we could test* Burr - 02/09/2012 02:45:10 PM 624 Views
no there is a better reason why it wouldn't work random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:58:18 PM 772 Views
No,no, I was wondering if -we- could test it. Burr - 03/09/2012 04:17:11 PM 665 Views
yeah I am a bit of a cynic *NM* random thoughts - 04/09/2012 03:01:28 PM 314 Views
I expect the rankings would be too subjective for credibility. Joel - 02/09/2012 04:27:32 PM 759 Views
I listen to some of supposed intellectuals talk and I am unimpressed random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:53:21 PM 657 Views
Being well read does not make one smart, but does facilitate it to a great degree. Joel - 02/09/2012 04:32:05 PM 613 Views
I like the Starship Trooper approach random thoughts - 02/09/2012 05:04:17 PM 721 Views
I run very hot and cold on that one. Joel - 02/09/2012 06:28:44 PM 811 Views
The problem I'd have with that draft for votes idea... Burr - 03/09/2012 04:28:34 PM 734 Views
I am not so sure it would. Joel - 03/09/2012 05:45:39 PM 770 Views
What was that again about "you have a right to your own opinion, not your own facts"? Legolas - 03/09/2012 06:39:01 PM 785 Views
Ah, right; I had forgotten our previous discussion of conscriptions termination in the '90s and '00s Joel - 03/09/2012 06:48:28 PM 713 Views
If you worked with more engineers you might change your opinion on the science degree part random thoughts - 04/09/2012 03:00:16 PM 661 Views
Maybe; I would likely just conclude horse sense is uncommon everywhere, but less so in engineers. Joel - 05/09/2012 12:11:58 AM 582 Views
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