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Sigh... what words a quote contains is not a matter of "POV." Joel Send a noteboard - 01/09/2012 09:01:17 PM
That's fine, be proud of your POV.

It's just that normal folks don't believe the same.

Obama either did or did not say what beetnemesis claims he did; it is not open to interpretation or debate. Turns out Obama DID say what beetnemesis claims: There is video of it (see link at around 33:20.) Obama said (among other things,)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

Anyone denying he made those statements is not just expressing a different opinion or point of view, but denying reality, either from rank ignorance or base dishonesty.
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Does Not a "WE [Not I] BUILT THIS!" Banner Concede Warren and Obama Were Right? Joel - 01/09/2012 02:45:52 PM 1001 Views
It amazing how much the left doesn't get tis issue random thoughts - 01/09/2012 02:55:44 PM 739 Views
It is amazing how well every sentence but your last covers the "We [not I] built this" view Joel - 01/09/2012 03:29:27 PM 764 Views
let’s put it back in context random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:23:01 PM 880 Views
Politifact already did. Joel - 01/09/2012 05:53:23 PM 965 Views
+1 - nicely said. The "built it" comment drives the left crazy, since they know..... Anonymous2000 - 01/09/2012 04:25:52 PM 671 Views
Nope, it drives us crazy because it's an out-of-context fragment quote beetnemesis - 01/09/2012 07:01:24 PM 659 Views
they all know what he said and context doesn't change it *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2012 07:11:01 PM 359 Views
...of course it does. beetnemesis - 01/09/2012 08:31:37 PM 682 Views
This is the kind of shit that makes me and my family not want to vote Republican. Dan - 02/09/2012 12:01:01 AM 767 Views
Interesting response.... Joel - 02/09/2012 12:07:01 AM 666 Views
They're both acting normal (for politicians) Dan - 02/09/2012 12:12:31 AM 808 Views
I disagree; they both did something downright bizarre (again, for politicians; see link.) Joel - 02/09/2012 12:20:32 AM 726 Views
Heh. Dan - 02/09/2012 12:25:10 AM 790 Views
Bah, everyone knows Taxachusetts residents are mad, and tyrants to boot. Joel - 02/09/2012 03:04:57 AM 888 Views
Yes the GOP really need to make more effort into trying to win Massachusetts random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:17:49 PM 728 Views
I don't like irrational hissyfits. Dan - 02/09/2012 05:27:25 PM 809 Views
If don't like having hissyfits stasy on your med random thoughts - 02/09/2012 09:26:50 PM 698 Views
Only if you want a Senate majority. Joel - 02/09/2012 07:39:23 PM 919 Views
Exactly, the context doesn't help. Libs believe government knows all and makes all possible. Anonymous2000 - 01/09/2012 08:25:51 PM 640 Views
Sigh... what words a quote contains is not a matter of "POV." Joel - 01/09/2012 09:01:17 PM 880 Views
Seriously. Like, I'm not debating policy here- I am saying that those are the literal words. *NM* beetnemesis - 01/09/2012 11:53:39 PM 336 Views
I do not understand how that can be debated, yet it keeps happening. Joel - 02/09/2012 12:03:44 AM 712 Views
What should disturb you is what a bunch of unhinged hypocrites your party has become random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:38:34 PM 744 Views
I have no party, and have already said mischaracterizing "corporations are people" is just as bad. Joel - 02/09/2012 04:15:01 PM 819 Views
Would you give a me link to where you created post upset about how Romney was being treated? random thoughts - 02/09/2012 09:10:03 PM 649 Views
Sure; the last time was about three days ago in response to you. Joel - 02/09/2012 09:20:55 PM 777 Views
are you on crack? that is a post of you defending the stupid Bain attacks on Romney random thoughts - 02/09/2012 09:30:00 PM 660 Views
You brought up Bain there; I merely responded and noted Romneys "corp." line was also misused. Joel - 02/09/2012 10:12:52 PM 904 Views
Joel. That's the thinking of a 12-year-old. You're better than that. *NM* Palatine - 01/09/2012 05:17:25 PM 345 Views
Saying "you didn't build that" denigrates individuals is twelve-year-old thinking:I merely note that Joel - 01/09/2012 05:45:06 PM 617 Views
I know what Obama meant to say. If he said it to me I would want to punch him in his liberal mouth. Tom - 02/09/2012 12:23:47 AM 771 Views
Ok, I'll put this very naively. Dan - 02/09/2012 12:36:33 AM 1059 Views
Obama had his chance. Tom - 02/09/2012 12:43:25 AM 766 Views
True, I think. I just wish the RNC had taken a more concrete approach like you did. Could fuck them. *NM* Dan - 02/09/2012 12:52:58 AM 446 Views
"The Democratic health care bill that bears Obama's name for no good reason" Joel - 02/09/2012 03:44:18 AM 752 Views
and you really want us to believe it is a few comments that are keeping you from voting republican? *NM* random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:40:13 PM 335 Views
Your suggestion that what I floated to Tom is somehow antithetical to the GOP is laughable. *NM* Dan - 02/09/2012 05:29:33 PM 422 Views
In fairness to rt, that sounds a lot like a welfare state, which is pretty antithetical to the GOP. Joel - 02/09/2012 07:10:47 PM 737 Views
Most are willing to enter the debate, and give a measure of ground. Hence Romneycare. *NM* Dan - 02/09/2012 10:40:21 PM 917 Views
Fair enough, but once the show goes national we get Romneys pledge to repeal Romneycare. Joel - 02/09/2012 11:10:55 PM 751 Views
"If you don't want to root for your team, then you should get the hell out of the stadium." Joel - 02/09/2012 02:15:11 AM 723 Views
Eh, what he said sounded to me like the usual politicians thing snoopcester - 02/09/2012 01:58:05 PM 646 Views
Your political philosophy seems based on ignoring the difference between voluntary & compulsory Cannoli - 02/09/2012 12:38:50 AM 816 Views
Huh, I think I hit submit by accident, before replying. Anyway: Dan - 02/09/2012 12:42:38 AM 898 Views
Yours seems based on ignoring the "WE THE PEOPLE" at the top of the document creating US government. Joel - 02/09/2012 02:48:45 AM 798 Views
I think there is something to be said for charitable interpretation. Burr - 02/09/2012 02:10:10 AM 693 Views
I am not sure what the best argument against the best reading of his argument would be. Joel - 02/09/2012 03:13:46 AM 772 Views
I don't think so snoopcester - 02/09/2012 01:47:03 PM 676 Views
True, but self-reliant individualism goes poorly with plural nouns.* Joel - 02/09/2012 04:18:22 PM 719 Views
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