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What was that again about "you have a right to your own opinion, not your own facts"? Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/09/2012 06:39:01 PM
The odd thing is I know no liberal who would support, would not strongly condemn, the approach most appealing to me: Reinstate the draft, letting folks opt out at the cost of voting rights. Curiously, neither side debating "European style socialisms" merits ever mentions that conscription (at least of men) is the European norm.

Let's try this again: conscription is very far from the "norm" in Europe, with only a handful of small countries still practicing it - plus the two big ones who can't seem to make up their mind on whether or not they are European, Russia and Turkey. Considering your views of both countries, I rather doubt that you'd seriously claim they define the European norm.
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Anybody here ever studied the founding fathers of America? Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 07:34:28 PM 843 Views
Slave-owning, mysoginist, wig-wearing members of the landed elite? Bored - 30/08/2012 07:51:33 PM 584 Views
Ha! Yeah, all personal faults aside Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 07:54:13 PM 519 Views
Not John Adams or Alexander Hamilton.....fool! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 31/08/2012 05:18:05 AM 309 Views
No, never, not even briefly. Joel - 30/08/2012 07:57:39 PM 601 Views
What? Nooooo way Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 08:06:30 PM 605 Views
My US history class was an hour long and I always got distracted by a butterfly or something. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:50:39 PM 538 Views
Did you just kinda compare yourself to the founding fathers? nossy - 30/08/2012 08:08:40 PM 641 Views
Not positively, but I have often thought they were a bad influence on me. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:21:48 PM 625 Views
Funny, my reaction to sentences like those is nearly the opposite. Legolas - 30/08/2012 08:11:34 PM 578 Views
Fair point; it is revealing that none of the Bill of Rights amendments have multiple sections. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:39:24 PM 616 Views
You're projecting. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2012 12:48:12 AM 273 Views
I am aspiring. Joel - 31/08/2012 01:09:40 AM 729 Views
As a personal aside ... Nate - 31/08/2012 01:43:45 AM 658 Views
Yes. nossy - 31/08/2012 01:49:41 AM 671 Views
Like I say, maybe I invest too much in online posting. Joel - 31/08/2012 02:02:58 AM 698 Views
Re: Nate - 31/08/2012 02:27:00 AM 678 Views
Re: Re: Joel - 31/08/2012 02:37:35 AM 682 Views
Well nossy - 31/08/2012 02:54:25 AM 691 Views
It does get repetitive too often. Joel - 31/08/2012 05:07:41 AM 691 Views
Doesn't really matter. You're gonna keep doing it. nossy - 31/08/2012 05:16:23 AM 639 Views
Maybe.... Joel - 31/08/2012 05:03:11 PM 683 Views
Re: Maybe.... nossy - 31/08/2012 05:15:52 PM 499 Views
Re: Maybe.... Joel - 31/08/2012 06:18:32 PM 643 Views
You aren't Plato, Burke, or Madison. Ghavrel - 31/08/2012 10:34:22 AM 599 Views
That is why it is aspiration rather than equivalence. Joel - 31/08/2012 05:01:20 PM 566 Views
I'm not so sure you're entirely right. nossy - 30/08/2012 11:06:39 PM 724 Views
I did. They smelled of mahogany and death. They looked scabby and skeletal. TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2012 12:35:44 AM 630 Views
Sounds like you have a job to do. Joel - 31/08/2012 01:11:10 AM 630 Views
Don't forget Hamilton! The creator of the American economy..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 31/08/2012 05:19:50 AM 321 Views
... and big government. Joel - 01/09/2012 01:54:20 PM 517 Views
I don't really buy that..... Anonymous2000 - 01/09/2012 08:33:28 PM 565 Views
Hamilton loudly and often advocated a central bank, national debt and active federal government. Joel - 01/09/2012 08:41:50 PM 765 Views
I think the entire Age of Enlightenment is fascinating random thoughts - 31/08/2012 06:32:23 PM 548 Views
You realize you just made a great argument for intelligentsia rule, right? Joel - 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM 636 Views
I would want better intelligenstia first random thoughts - 01/09/2012 02:48:28 PM 707 Views
Ah, the old uneducated>miseducated argument. Joel - 01/09/2012 03:39:07 PM 656 Views
*wonders if we could test* Burr - 02/09/2012 02:45:10 PM 540 Views
no there is a better reason why it wouldn't work random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:58:18 PM 673 Views
No,no, I was wondering if -we- could test it. Burr - 03/09/2012 04:17:11 PM 578 Views
yeah I am a bit of a cynic *NM* random thoughts - 04/09/2012 03:01:28 PM 280 Views
I expect the rankings would be too subjective for credibility. Joel - 02/09/2012 04:27:32 PM 662 Views
I listen to some of supposed intellectuals talk and I am unimpressed random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:53:21 PM 573 Views
Being well read does not make one smart, but does facilitate it to a great degree. Joel - 02/09/2012 04:32:05 PM 525 Views
I like the Starship Trooper approach random thoughts - 02/09/2012 05:04:17 PM 632 Views
I run very hot and cold on that one. Joel - 02/09/2012 06:28:44 PM 727 Views
The problem I'd have with that draft for votes idea... Burr - 03/09/2012 04:28:34 PM 645 Views
I am not so sure it would. Joel - 03/09/2012 05:45:39 PM 669 Views
What was that again about "you have a right to your own opinion, not your own facts"? Legolas - 03/09/2012 06:39:01 PM 691 Views
Ah, right; I had forgotten our previous discussion of conscriptions termination in the '90s and '00s Joel - 03/09/2012 06:48:28 PM 622 Views
If you worked with more engineers you might change your opinion on the science degree part random thoughts - 04/09/2012 03:00:16 PM 569 Views
Maybe; I would likely just conclude horse sense is uncommon everywhere, but less so in engineers. Joel - 05/09/2012 12:11:58 AM 484 Views
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