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Fuck. we actually agree on something. Aisha Send a noteboard - 08/09/2012 05:47:46 AM
(CNN) -- A woman in Turkey is awaiting trial after beheading a man who she says raped her repeatedly for months and is the father of her unborn child. Her lawyer says the woman killed the man to protect her honor.

Nevin Yildirim, a 26-year-old mother of two, lives in a small village in southwestern Turkey. She said the man, Nurettin Gider, began the attacks a few days after her husband left in January for a seasonal job in another town, according to a source close to the case.

Yildirim said Gider threatened her with a gun and said he would kill her children, ages 2 and 6, if she made any noise, according to the source. That was the first of repeated rapes over the next eight months, the source said.

At one point, Yildirim said, Gider sneaked into her house while she was asleep and took pictures of her, the source said. One of the pictures shows her pregnant body. Gider threatened to publish the pictures if she didn't obey him, the source said.

In small villages like hers, honor is held above all else, and women carry the burden of honor for their families. Pictures like those would have been devastating for Yildirim and her family and could have posed a danger.

On August 28, at least five months pregnant by a man who she said continued to rape her, Yildirim said she decided she had had enough. Gider was climbing up the back wall of her house. "I knew he was going to rape me again," she said at her preliminary hearing August 30.

She said she grabbed her father-in-law's rifle that was hanging on the wall and she shot him. He tried to draw his gun and she fired again.

"I chased him," she said. "He fell on the ground. He started cussing. I shot his sexual organ this time. He became quiet. I knew he was dead. I then cut his head off."

Witnesses described Yildirim walking into the village square, carrying the man's head by his hair, blood dripping on the ground.

"Don't talk behind my back, don't play with my honor," Yildirim said to the men sitting in the coffee house on the square. "Here is the head of the man who played with my honor."

She threw Gider's head to the ground, the witnesses said. Video from Turkish broadcaster DHA, which arrived on the scene before the authorities, showed Gider's head on the ground.

Witnesses called authorities and Yildirim was arrested.

Gider was 35 and the father of two children, 15 and 9. He was married to an aunt of Yildirim's husband.

Yildirim told her legal representative she regrets what happened, the source said.

"I thought of reporting him to military police and to the district attorney, but this was going to mark me as a scorned woman," Yildirim said, according to the source. "Since I was going to get a bad reputation I decided to clean my honor and acted on killing him. I thought of suicide a lot but couldn't do it."

Yildirim said she was worried people would judge her children because of what happened, the source said.

"Now no one can call my children bastards," she said, according to the source. "I cleaned my honor. Everyone will call them the children of the woman who cleaned her honor."

The source said Yildirim went to a health clinic a while ago seeking an abortion, but health workers told her she was 14 weeks pregnant and abortion was not an option.

In Turkey, abortion is allowed during the first 10 weeks of pregnancy, after which it is permitted only to save the life or health of the mother or in cases of fetal impairment, Human Rights Watch said.

At her hearing, Yildirim said she doesn't want to keep the baby and that she is ready to die, the source said. The public prosecutor's office has ordered a medical examination to decide whether Yildirim may have an abortion and to assess her mental stability, the source said.

Yildirim's father, Zekeriya Yildiz, told DHA his daughter did not report the alleged abuse to anyone in the family.

"If she would have told us, we would have taken other precautions," he said.

Yildirim is in the local jail while she awaits trial.

In a report last year, Human Rights Watch decried gaps in Turkish law that it said leave women and girls unprotected from domestic abuse. Some 42% of women older than 15 in Turkey and 47% of rural women have experienced physical or sexual violence at the hands of a husband or partner at some point in their lives, the group said.

"She has lived through a terrible trauma. She must be charged with self-defense," said Gursel Oztunali Kayir, a sociologist at Akdeniz University and a member of Antalya Women Support Organization.

IF her claims are true (which may difficult to prove at this stage,) I must agree with her lawyer: A woman should have every legal right to shoot someone she sees approaching her home to rape her at gunpoint (yet again.) Likewise, if he reaches for his own gun after she does so, she should have every legal right to finish him off before he draws it. At worst I could not justify charging her with anything more than desecrating her rapists corpse. As to whether she should be able to abort her rapists baby at five months, perhaps the less I say the better. One this is certain though: If capital punishment is any deterrent at all, news of a rapist being shot, then shot in the crotch and killed, then decapitated and left in the city square ought to make rape far less common in Turkey for a while.


Forget capital punishment (I have my own doubts about its efficacy as a deterrant - my support for the concept is based on the terminal outcome), this is a clear cut case of the importance of castle law, stand your ground laws, and the right to bear arms. As this case shows, reporting a threat to the authorities is far more complicated than that solution is presented by those who seek to give law enforcement a monopoly on weapons. While this is an extreme case (and given the circumstances, an argument could be made that it could be a case of "he-said, she-said" though the described method of entry and marital situation of the deceased render his innocence unlikely), there are still limitations to the ability of law enforcement to handle such things, leaving a gap between proper respect for civil rights and proper empowerment of the authorities to restrain crime. Giving people the freedom to act in their own defense is the best solution to all sorts of injustices from sexual harassment on up. The abstract possibility of lethal punishment IF you get caught, and IF you get convicted and IF you get sentenced and IF your appeals and other recourse fails, cannot be nearly the deterrant of the increased liklihood of encountering armed opposition to whatever violation you are attempting to perpetrate.

It makes me wonder why we put up with the TSA, when THEY have failed to stop a single terrorist attack, while the one 911 plane that failed to hit its target did so because of the actions of the very class of people the TSA & FAA seek to disarm, restrict and invade the privacy thereof.
Aisha - formerly known as randschicka
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God made men and women; Samuel Colt made them equal. - 08/09/2012 05:09:44 AM 400 Views
Fuck. we actually agree on something. - 08/09/2012 05:47:46 AM 535 Views
Works for me. - 08/09/2012 12:18:02 PM 491 Views
I couldn't disagree more with your summary. Way to sound like a civilized world, ca. 2012. - 08/09/2012 12:01:47 PM 394 Views
I agree. *NM* - 08/09/2012 03:49:33 PM 113 Views
And I couldn't disagree more with yours. *NM* - 08/09/2012 04:40:06 PM 151 Views
I actually have to side with Joel on this one. - 09/09/2012 12:24:30 PM 353 Views
When it comes to a mild or no punishment for her, sure. - 09/09/2012 02:50:11 PM 319 Views
The sad part is that she felt this was her only choice - 08/09/2012 01:47:10 PM 379 Views
Indeed. *NM* - 08/09/2012 02:10:37 PM 135 Views
Yes. *NM* - 08/09/2012 03:19:01 PM 129 Views
You think that doesn't happen in the West? - 09/09/2012 12:26:30 PM 310 Views
Sadly there is still a stigma to being a vicitim - 09/09/2012 04:32:37 PM 310 Views
There's something so viscerally raw in this that I just love. - 09/09/2012 12:07:19 AM 325 Views
So sometimes sensationalism is a GOOD thing? - 09/09/2012 02:28:13 AM 308 Views
it does make a statement *NM* - 09/09/2012 05:36:54 AM 161 Views

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