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Indeed. Joel Send a noteboard - 10/09/2012 11:15:23 PM
Their Ds actually rode THEM to Super Bowls. Roethlisberger, well, trailing us by three in the fourth quarter last night he had Mike Wallace uncovered deep, but through a short incompletion, and Denver finally stopped Pitt on third down, something we had not done since the first quarter. After a subsequent Denver FG extended our lead to 6 points, Roethlisberger stared straight at Tracy Porter for at least 2-3 seconds before throwing a ball straight to him that the Denver corner returned all the way for a TD that iced the game at the two minute warning.

Roethlisberger actually does kind of suck; he is Tebow without the excuse of being a second year player. Brees and Rodgers have proven themselves.

He got drafted into the perfect team. I always wondered if a player's career is made or broken by the team that drafts him.

Well, what do you expect; this is the team that drafted the luckiest defense-riding QB in history: Terry Bradshaw. As to the other questions:

Does Cleavland really have that much bad luck or do they ruin their QBs with a sorry supporting cast?

Yes, they would, though it is important to remember they are not far removed from being an expansion team themselves.

Would David Carr had suceeded elsewhere if not for being drafted by an expanison team?

Probably. I think most people do not understand just how much a QBs first few seasons in the very different pro ranks can set the tone for their career. We hear a lot about QBs needing a "mental clock," but the mental clock they have is calibrated by the protection and rush they face in their first few dozen starts. Same with learning when receivers are "NFL open" and timing their passes so they can throw before receivers make their break; if they spend their first few seasons with receivers who run ragged routes or have awful hands, that is what they will accept as the NFL norm.

Once that kind of stuff becomes ingrained, once they get accustomed to coming up short in the clutch, those patterns are very hard to unlearn. Jake Plummer never did do it, despite loads of talent, hence he self-destructed in an AFC Championship at home, throwing two picks and surrendering two fumbles, setting the stage for the legend of Big Ben to emerge against a mediocre Seahawks team two weeks later, incidentally giving Denver their first ever AFCCG loss at home.

This is another thing THGoF alludes to, albeit briefly, noting Jim Plunkett was so thoroughly shell-shocked by the time he left the awful Patriots who drafted him that it took several seasons of constant reassurance from the Raiders before he managed a couple SB wins. They also noted "Those loyal Pittsburgh fans once watched their QB get blindsided, and while he was being carried off they booed him. Later—four Super Bowls later—the fans forgot all about that, but we'll bet Terry Bradshaw didn't." All of which concludes with a final note: Elway threatening to go earn millions as a Yankee unless the Colts traded him to a decent team was the smartest decision of his life.

How good, exactly, would Roethlisberger be on another team?

About as good as Tebow, which is how good he is. He throws a nice deep ball, shakes tackles, runs well and has a nice bootleg pass, but as a pure passer he is only erratic at best.
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Super Bowl champs Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger suck and should be benched - 10/09/2012 04:31:53 PM 390 Views
But Vick is great because his team won even if he have 2 fumbles and 4 picks - 10/09/2012 04:49:00 PM 314 Views
Yep! Vick is CLUTCH and therefore the best QB in the league - 10/09/2012 04:53:43 PM 347 Views
Vick is the greatest athlete to play the game of sport, ever *NM* - 10/09/2012 11:05:36 PM 117 Views
To bad that doesn't result in him being a great QB *NM* - 11/09/2012 02:28:41 AM 137 Views
*cue: Joel* *NM* - 10/09/2012 05:30:28 PM 213 Views
We have to look on the bright side. - 10/09/2012 06:04:21 PM 345 Views
Very true. *NM* - 10/09/2012 07:37:57 PM 125 Views
yes it is way more important than that *NM* - 10/09/2012 07:44:22 PM 160 Views
You're ignoring the far more important statistics: - 10/09/2012 06:20:48 PM 363 Views
Heh, did not see this when responding to you, but Brees and Rodgers did not ride Ds to Super Bowls. - 10/09/2012 08:06:09 PM 442 Views
Roethlisberger's stats in that first Super Bowl... *shudders* - 10/09/2012 08:34:35 PM 333 Views
Indeed. - 10/09/2012 11:15:23 PM 411 Views
Total touchdowns scored by Tony Romo in Super Bowls: zero. - 11/09/2012 12:22:01 AM 341 Views
Celebrity girlfriend? Dude get with the times - 11/09/2012 12:52:04 AM 407 Views
Re: Celebrity girlfriend? Dude get with the times - 12/09/2012 08:23:54 AM 326 Views
Offense has rarely been an issue in Dallas - 12/09/2012 04:22:19 PM 425 Views
you should stick with that argument because it is the only one the works - 11/09/2012 02:59:52 AM 318 Views
The one point I made about Romo WAS team oriented, you moron. My post was about image. - 12/09/2012 08:07:51 AM 449 Views
no dipshit that it wasn't *NM* - 12/09/2012 12:46:18 PM 130 Views
You ignore important facts - 12/09/2012 04:34:50 PM 407 Views

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