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Which instapoll said Obama won the first debate? Joel Send a noteboard - 23/10/2012 06:18:45 AM
Foreign policy was touted as Obama's strong point and what he'd win on, he clearly didn't, so whether it was a Romney win, draw, or even a mild Obama win is pretty damn irrelevant, Romney keeps the inertia of the challenger unblunted, as foreign policy isn't too important right now and all he had to do was not look bad and Obama needed to come off Presidential and make Romney look un-Presidential, the latter didn't happen and frankly I think he blew the former with a lot of people too.

I don't see any game changer from this one though.

The only person who thought Obama won the first debate was Obama, and only until he got offstage and started talked to advisors stunned to hear him say so.

I agree it probably will not change much, but in addition to being oily and breathless to Obamas measured firmness throughout, Romney was factually shredded. My favorite part was his assertion that Syria is Irans only route to the sea, which would be true if not for the Persian Gulf which is their longest border and NAMED AFTER THEM! Saying Detroit would have avoided bankruptcy thanks to private bailouts was good, too, though, since every private firm asked for a bailout—including Bain Capital—said they would not touch that with a ten foot pole with the economy in the mess it was in when Bush left office. Even were all that not true (though it undeniably is,) "me, too, but better" is no way to win a debate.

Romney got trounced, but it probably will not matter since 1) Obama was understood to have a big foreign policy edge, 2) most voters are far more concerned about the economy and 3) most impressions were made and cemented in the first debate.
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Which instapoll said Obama won the first debate? - 23/10/2012 06:18:45 AM 457 Views
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it is simply a standard descriptive line. - 24/10/2012 03:54:49 PM 568 Views
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