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I must agree with Isaac and Legolas; violent language like that is a (literal) trigger for nutjobs. Joel Send a noteboard - 29/10/2012 07:00:53 PM
i guess that answers my question about whether that you're ok with supporting a proven liar who is on every side of every political issue and doesn't seem to stand for any of them. i hope the real isaac comes back after the election is over because he was much less of an asshole as this one. :[

As for your actual point earlier on, who's to say that if it weren't for Romney's credibility issues that the Republican candidate wouldn't have a sizable lead, considering the high unemployment rate and other contentious issues like healthcare reform? If a Republican version of Bill Clinton, one who could relate well with voters and not be caught so easily in fabrications, had run, I think Obama wouldn't have much of a chance at a second term.

I also think that there are too many people on this board who take the "horse race" elements of US politics too seriously and any differences of opinion are magnified. Me, I'm just in it for the cynicism and the Schadenfreude of awaiting the structural collapse of the state capitalist system at some indefinite point in the future :P


i very much agree that if the republicans had fielded a stronger candidate it would probably be a justifiably close race, whoever ended up winning. my main problem is that romney has zero credibility on anything, admits he does not care about facts, and spends his time contradicting himself on every issue. in any other election, that would be enough to turn off millions of people, but for some reason he is still in a very close race.

if romney does end up winning, it sets a very bad precedent for the future in that any candidate can say anything, then completely reverse almost all their positions with weeks left to go in the campaign, and still hope for victory on election day. lying used to be frowned upon in a presidential candidate, romney is making it so that not only is it acceptable, it's praised as good strategy.

As for the election itself: Yes, it sets a very bad precedent if Romney can run as a self-declared "severe conservative" for FIVE YEARS, renounce all those positions a MONTH before the election, and still win. On the other hand, Bush kind of already set that precedent in 2000 and the pundit and public reaction was "OMG, how DARE Gore sigh when Bush lies out his rear saying he can spend half the trillion dollar surplus on a trillion dollar tax cut and the 'other half' on entitlements (though it actually went on Iraq instead) yet maintain the balanced budget?!"

Beyond that, any GOP nominee worthy of the title would mop the floor with Obama; the far right may still believe him a "socialist," but the young and/or disaffected libs who voted for him in '08 learned the hard way how absurd that is, and have abandoned him. The only reason this is even close is because Romney is such a "say anything" conservative AND moderate; a genuine conservative might beat Reagan, and a moderate would destroy him.

See, we can say all that stuff without the risk of an unbalanced person deciding it is a compelling argument for murder. Just because they need no reason does not mean we should give them one anyway. It is like saying, "that powder keg was always a menace; if my match had not set it off someone elses would have." Irresponsible at best, reckless endangerment at worst.
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I must agree with Isaac and Legolas; violent language like that is a (literal) trigger for nutjobs. - 29/10/2012 07:00:53 PM 429 Views
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