"Conservative" and "liberal" seem like perfect antonyms to me.
Joel Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 05:22:36 PM
To be fair, I had to look them up myself, but all the economic hallmarks of economic liberalism are part and parcel of what we style "fiscal conservatism. " Which frankly makes more sense to me; if "curtailing red tape, privatizations, deregulation, curtailing public subsidies, and a reform of collective bargaining laws" is "liberal" now, does that make socialism "conservative"? In what world does that make sense...?
The logical opposite of "conservative" would be "progressive", not "liberal", and it makes perfect sense that a more pro-free-market stance is "liberal".
Incidentally, in certain parts of Europe, not so much Germany perhaps but France for instance, the socialist movement is certainly conservative: stuck in the past, defending past achievements at all costs and strongly resistant to change (except with regards to certain evolutions like LGBT rights). Between Sarkozy's UMP and the opposition PS, the former is more right-wing, but the latter is a lot more conservative.
The opposite of "progressive" would be more like "traditional. " Regardless, I don't think a move in the direction of the failed laissez-faire policies of Dickensian Europe or Carnegies America constitute "progress" and IIRC the "progressive" movements of the time (in particular Americas Progressive Party) stood in strong opposition to them and for labor reform and rights. Seems like revisionist history to me, and it seems there's been a lot of it the past few decades, perhaps in the hopes that now that everyone who lived through those horrors is dead the rest of us will ignorantly allow their reanimation as "innovation. "
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First Germany, next Great Britain - 
- 27/09/2009 11:24:48 PM
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- 27/09/2009 11:24:48 PM
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Your terminology is confusing... 
- 27/09/2009 11:40:38 PM
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- 27/09/2009 11:40:38 PM
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He's speaking in American terms.
- 28/09/2009 12:42:57 AM
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As I said. Confusing terminology.
- 28/09/2009 11:32:46 AM
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- 28/09/2009 11:32:46 AM
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"Conservative" and "liberal" seem like perfect antonyms to me.
- 29/09/2009 05:22:36 PM
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Sorry, do you think Labour is a liberal party? *NM*
- 27/09/2009 11:42:26 PM
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Yes I do. Left-wing Liberals, the very worst of both worlds. *NM*
- 27/09/2009 11:58:24 PM
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Ooo, Germany-
- 28/09/2009 12:19:40 AM
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wtf
- 28/09/2009 01:26:18 PM
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I know, I know
- 28/09/2009 09:01:17 PM
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I've got something for your cuteness list
- 29/09/2009 08:35:30 AM
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Awww, let's hug him! 
- 29/09/2009 06:26:44 PM
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- 29/09/2009 06:26:44 PM
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Him?? 
- 29/09/2009 08:55:03 PM
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- 29/09/2009 08:55:03 PM
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Well, he's the one with the cute last name!
- 29/09/2009 09:24:34 PM
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- 29/09/2009 09:24:34 PM
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I am more thinking we will have to spray you with a riot hose *NM*
- 29/09/2009 09:27:10 PM
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*NM*
- 29/09/2009 09:27:10 PM
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Thats...uh.....crazy talk 
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- 29/09/2009 09:32:14 PM
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*NM*
- 29/09/2009 09:32:14 PM
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For some reason, I read that as "spay you"...
- 29/09/2009 10:24:20 PM
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Won't be effective, just because she can't breed won't stop her fervent efforts from trying
- 29/09/2009 10:38:43 PM
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For an older gentleman, Guido Westerwelle isn't so bad looking
- 29/09/2009 03:20:17 PM
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Brown is not a liberal by any possible stretch of the term or imagination.
- 28/09/2009 01:48:17 AM
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It doesn't make that much of a difference who is in charge anyway
- 28/09/2009 08:41:55 AM
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According to an analysis that I read in the NYT, it may.
- 28/09/2009 01:24:05 PM
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That same article says radical changes are unlikely, though.
- 28/09/2009 01:43:30 PM
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No one said there would be radical changes. But there will be changes
- 28/09/2009 01:56:01 PM
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Merkel is further to the left than most if not all Democrats in government here in the US.
- 28/09/2009 01:25:09 PM
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