... was signing a bill authored by three Republicans and passed with only ONE Dem Senators vote.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/12/2012 11:37:10 PM
It did get bipartisan House support, but a disturbingly large number of Representatives are demagogues and/or idiots. It is the chamber where people like Cynthia McKinney and Ron Paul can not only be elected, but RE-elected.
Not that I am trying to point fingers here; there is plenty to go around if I were, and one of my biggest complaints against Clinton is that his New/No Left policies shilled for Big Business to an extent that would have shamed nearly all Republicans. It is a measure of how true that is that Ross Perots fierce opposition to NAFTA and the WTO would have been much better for both labor AND small businesses, because his Giant Sucking Sound has proven appallingly prescient. If you are saying Clinton was too much of a pro-Big Business Republican, I strongly, if sadly, agree.
The CRAs rather limited "damage" was "done" in 1998 in the sense its minor extent, if any, had ended. Debt of a few hundred billion dollars rose above $1 trillion, then leveled remained steady for two solid years. Then Gramm-Leach-Bliley repealed Glass-Steagall and allowed lenders, investors and insurers to resume the incestuous consolidation that contributed so much to the Great Depression.
Suddenly, that $1 trillion debt rose to $6 trillion in just 5 years. A big reason was Fannie and Freddie chasing high interest loan profits as investors, not just aiding home ownership by handing out loans (bad or otherwise) as public lenders. Another was the largest banks chasing CDO profits as insurers by INTENTIONALLY issuing mortgages EXPECTING default, because that is the only way to profit from selling someone else a collateralized mortgage obligation. Remember the article I posted a while back about a loan officer who was all but told right out to issue as many risky loans as possible and repackage them as CMOs, and to ignore the mass indications of future default accompanying so many?
Ultimately, CDOs are just a form of insurance; loan defaults are the ONLY way sellers make a profit, and the major banks up to their ears in them engaged in nothing more than elaborate large scale insurance fraud. Rather foolishly, too, since they were all selling them to each other, so when the house of cards collapsed all any of them had was a mountain of debt, for which the public picked up the tab. The most brazen part is that none of those banks executives or investors see anything ironic, insulting or ungrateful in running to Uncle Sam for a trillion dollar bailout to stay in business, then complaining that government takes too much of their money for the 47% of lazy dishonest Americans living on welfare.
None of that would have been possible if laws against lenders acting as insurers or investors, insurers acting as investors or lenders and investors acting as lenders or insurers had remained in place. Glass-Steagall was created during the Depression specifically in response to those three businesses doing exactly what they did during the subprime mortgage disaster, because it had exactly the same effect 80 years ago. It is no surprise removing bars to that kind of greedy, irresponsible and destructive behavior immediately revived it with the same results as it inflicted previously.
Unfortunately, the folks who always preach personal accountability would much rather blame it on federal loans to minority homebuyers than admit the truth and their own responsibility. Every time this comes up I ask for stats showing minority borrowers defaulted more than others during the subprime mortgage fiasco, since they MUST have if expanded minority lending caused the disaster. I have been asking for those stats for, what, five years now? Still waiting....
The last time we went down this road it was a big factor in the Depression, and not because Harding and Coolidge pushed so many banks to issue mortgages to blacks, hispanics and single mothers. In response, Congress passed Glass-Steagall in the early '30s and put an end to this crap for the next 70 years. The moment Big Business got its way and removed Glass-Steagall we went right back where we were 80 years previously. Lesson (finally) learned?
I keep tellin' ya, the Reagan Revolutions unrelenting systematic effort to repeal the New Deal, successful as it has been, just has not worked out as advertised. In 1980 SS and Medicare were solvent with large surpluses, federal debt was just below $1 trillion and the dollar was worth about three times what it is now. Far from making us rich and prosperous, upper class tax cuts and deregulation have all but bankrupted the nation; the only consolation is that most federal debt is the SS trust fund and Treasury Securities owned by private banks and our employee pension funds.
That makes our problems simple to solve: Restore regulation that prevented things like the subprime mortgage and S&L disasters, and resume taxing people who expect Uncle Sam to pay its debts to them but deny it taxes with which to do so. Maybe instead of raising millionaire and corporate taxes we should just start canceling their Treasury Securities until they get the point.
Not that I am trying to point fingers here; there is plenty to go around if I were, and one of my biggest complaints against Clinton is that his New/No Left policies shilled for Big Business to an extent that would have shamed nearly all Republicans. It is a measure of how true that is that Ross Perots fierce opposition to NAFTA and the WTO would have been much better for both labor AND small businesses, because his Giant Sucking Sound has proven appallingly prescient. If you are saying Clinton was too much of a pro-Big Business Republican, I strongly, if sadly, agree.I think the Glass-Steagall repeal may have magnified the scope, but the damage was done. It would have gone up again in 2000-2001 even without the repeal as the first round of securitizations was repackaged into CDOs, freeing up cash for the next round of mortgages. A securitization can take up to a year to consummate, and a CDO is typically 6 months from start to finish. You're looking at a speed bump there. There was another one a few years later for the same reason, though I suspect they did some sloppy securitizations with bad documents and compressed the time. It only takes forcing the lawyers to work 80-100 hour weeks three to four months of the year instead of two.
The CRAs rather limited "damage" was "done" in 1998 in the sense its minor extent, if any, had ended. Debt of a few hundred billion dollars rose above $1 trillion, then leveled remained steady for two solid years. Then Gramm-Leach-Bliley repealed Glass-Steagall and allowed lenders, investors and insurers to resume the incestuous consolidation that contributed so much to the Great Depression.
Suddenly, that $1 trillion debt rose to $6 trillion in just 5 years. A big reason was Fannie and Freddie chasing high interest loan profits as investors, not just aiding home ownership by handing out loans (bad or otherwise) as public lenders. Another was the largest banks chasing CDO profits as insurers by INTENTIONALLY issuing mortgages EXPECTING default, because that is the only way to profit from selling someone else a collateralized mortgage obligation. Remember the article I posted a while back about a loan officer who was all but told right out to issue as many risky loans as possible and repackage them as CMOs, and to ignore the mass indications of future default accompanying so many?
Ultimately, CDOs are just a form of insurance; loan defaults are the ONLY way sellers make a profit, and the major banks up to their ears in them engaged in nothing more than elaborate large scale insurance fraud. Rather foolishly, too, since they were all selling them to each other, so when the house of cards collapsed all any of them had was a mountain of debt, for which the public picked up the tab. The most brazen part is that none of those banks executives or investors see anything ironic, insulting or ungrateful in running to Uncle Sam for a trillion dollar bailout to stay in business, then complaining that government takes too much of their money for the 47% of lazy dishonest Americans living on welfare.

None of that would have been possible if laws against lenders acting as insurers or investors, insurers acting as investors or lenders and investors acting as lenders or insurers had remained in place. Glass-Steagall was created during the Depression specifically in response to those three businesses doing exactly what they did during the subprime mortgage disaster, because it had exactly the same effect 80 years ago. It is no surprise removing bars to that kind of greedy, irresponsible and destructive behavior immediately revived it with the same results as it inflicted previously.
Unfortunately, the folks who always preach personal accountability would much rather blame it on federal loans to minority homebuyers than admit the truth and their own responsibility. Every time this comes up I ask for stats showing minority borrowers defaulted more than others during the subprime mortgage fiasco, since they MUST have if expanded minority lending caused the disaster. I have been asking for those stats for, what, five years now? Still waiting....

The last time we went down this road it was a big factor in the Depression, and not because Harding and Coolidge pushed so many banks to issue mortgages to blacks, hispanics and single mothers. In response, Congress passed Glass-Steagall in the early '30s and put an end to this crap for the next 70 years. The moment Big Business got its way and removed Glass-Steagall we went right back where we were 80 years previously. Lesson (finally) learned?
I keep tellin' ya, the Reagan Revolutions unrelenting systematic effort to repeal the New Deal, successful as it has been, just has not worked out as advertised. In 1980 SS and Medicare were solvent with large surpluses, federal debt was just below $1 trillion and the dollar was worth about three times what it is now. Far from making us rich and prosperous, upper class tax cuts and deregulation have all but bankrupted the nation; the only consolation is that most federal debt is the SS trust fund and Treasury Securities owned by private banks and our employee pension funds.
That makes our problems simple to solve: Restore regulation that prevented things like the subprime mortgage and S&L disasters, and resume taxing people who expect Uncle Sam to pay its debts to them but deny it taxes with which to do so. Maybe instead of raising millionaire and corporate taxes we should just start canceling their Treasury Securities until they get the point.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 23/12/2012 at 11:41:54 PM
Community Reinvestment Act formally linked to the Sub-Prime/Mortgage Crisis -
- 22/12/2012 09:01:56 PM
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- 22/12/2012 09:01:56 PM
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Did you see the part of the graph where higher debt leveled off in '98 and stayed there 2 years?
- 23/12/2012 04:13:01 AM
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Oh yeah, one of Bill Clinton's last acts as President
- 23/12/2012 02:47:23 PM
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... was signing a bill authored by three Republicans and passed with only ONE Dem Senators vote.
- 23/12/2012 11:37:10 PM
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Nice try - the repeal was all Clinton and Rubin.....buck stops with the leader.
- 24/12/2012 03:44:53 AM
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So the three Republicans who WROTE the bill are blameless; the guy who signed it is at fault.
- 24/12/2012 05:33:21 AM
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"Before you laugh too hard".....
- 24/12/2012 11:32:45 PM
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Also, did you just paraphrase Bill Clintons argument for Robamacare?!
- 25/12/2012 03:36:37 AM
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- 25/12/2012 03:36:37 AM
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I've been trying to explain this to people for years.
- 26/12/2012 02:54:04 PM
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You and most of the GOP, but the facts do not support that narrative.
- 26/12/2012 05:54:28 PM
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Glass-Stegal was not repealed in a vacuum. There were many other regulatory changes
- 26/12/2012 07:40:45 PM
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I know the narrative; the facts still do not support it.
- 26/12/2012 08:43:25 PM
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Only when you ignore half of them.
- 27/12/2012 03:33:53 PM
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The entire "logic" ignores the most salient fact in the whole discussion.
- 28/12/2012 02:34:12 PM
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Your focus on that bill is the error.
- 28/12/2012 04:47:03 PM
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Any stats showing a disproportionate number of Fannie/Freddie defaults were by minorities?
- 28/12/2012 05:50:01 PM
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It has got NOTHING to do with skin color, the only color that should matter in banking is green.
- 28/12/2012 09:36:34 PM
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It should not, no, but the GOP dog whistles demonstrate it does.
- 28/12/2012 10:49:34 PM
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Get over YOUR perception that I give a damn about anyone's genetic background. I don't.
- 29/12/2012 04:18:22 PM
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Your incredible knowledge on this would fill a thimble. There were MULTIPLE issues>
- 28/12/2012 09:50:17 PM
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I love that part, too: "What Carter did in the '70s caused the subprime mortgage crisis in 2005."
- 28/12/2012 10:32:17 PM
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The policy began in the 70s, was MASIVELY expanded in the 90s, and blew up in the 00s.
- 29/12/2012 04:43:26 PM
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CRA was a disaster for the nation.....go ahead, you can admit it.
- 26/12/2012 08:32:33 PM
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The facts are in the graph in the article, and do not support that narrative.
- 26/12/2012 08:44:23 PM
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The facts support it perfectly. You vs. reality is the problem here. *NM*
- 26/12/2012 09:51:45 PM
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It is a pure causation line, get over it.
- 27/12/2012 03:35:19 PM
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Our Second Amendment discussions disqualify you as an authority on causality.
- 28/12/2012 02:58:04 PM
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I couldn't care less about party they both screwed up repeatedly.
- 28/12/2012 04:50:25 PM
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Then why do you insist on blaming Barney Frank exclusively?
- 28/12/2012 05:54:48 PM
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Because he is the person most responsible for forcing banks to lower lending standards. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 06:49:28 PM
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No he is not. It began in the 90s, well before he became chairman of the house commitee. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 09:57:02 PM
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Right, a guy who was only part of the House majority for two years did it all.
- 28/12/2012 11:03:08 PM
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I blame Barny for the under colateralization of F&F that he allowed and blocking the audit.
- 28/12/2012 09:54:27 PM
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Even were the charge valid (it is not,) if you believe it the crisis' main cause naught can help you
- 28/12/2012 11:00:14 PM
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The debate on comparative financial policies of the parties belongs elsewhere. lets keep on point.
- 29/12/2012 04:15:13 PM
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