Any stats showing a disproportionate number of Fannie/Freddie defaults were by minorities?
Joel Send a noteboard - 28/12/2012 05:50:01 PM
That is the crux of the whole argument, after all, that easing minority lending to increase minority home ownership caused the subprime mortgage crisis. Were that true, minority defaults should have significantly outpaced others; any stats supporting that, or is this just more faith-based history?
Fannie and Freddie were chasing profits from lending as investment, to satisfy their private execs, rather than profits from lending as an end in itself.
Housing prices had already gone WAY up, as you ought to remember if you were a mortgage broker at the time. I recall seeing national news stories on TV in the late '90s discussing the increasingly common practice of people buying houses based on skyrocketing prices for the sole purpose of "flipping" them a year or so later when the price shot even higher. I particularly recall reporters noting at the end of the story that it was creating an overvalued overspeculated housing bubble that could crater the market when it burst. That was five years before the CRA.
No one put a gun to those banks heads, despite their insistence to the contrary; a number of them had loan officers begging them not to issue loans they (but not the borrowers) KNEW were bad, but the banks insisted on it, because they were just going to dump the load on someone else as a credit default swap anyway, making the default a GOOD thing for them (since it was the only way they could make a profit.) Let us not conflate Freddie and Fannie with banking in general, because they are not, or should not be, identical.
You make it sound like Freddie and Fannie guarantee every bank loan in the US. If anything, it looks like the opposite is true:
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Fannie and Freddie were chasing profits from lending as investment, to satisfy their private execs, rather than profits from lending as an end in itself.
The federal government FORCED lending institution, contrary to all common sense and good business practices, to make loans to people whom the entire history of banking showed would not be able to pay (by the way, I was a mortgage broker during this time so I am not talking out my ass).
As a result of all these people who now had money to buy a house, housing prices went WAY up (law of supply and demand).
As a result of all these people who now had money to buy a house, housing prices went WAY up (law of supply and demand).
Housing prices had already gone WAY up, as you ought to remember if you were a mortgage broker at the time. I recall seeing national news stories on TV in the late '90s discussing the increasingly common practice of people buying houses based on skyrocketing prices for the sole purpose of "flipping" them a year or so later when the price shot even higher. I particularly recall reporters noting at the end of the story that it was creating an overvalued overspeculated housing bubble that could crater the market when it burst. That was five years before the CRA.
Then everyone looked around in shock when people went bankrupt and got forclosed on getting pissed at teh evil banks who made loans to people that logically should never have received one.
No one put a gun to those banks heads, despite their insistence to the contrary; a number of them had loan officers begging them not to issue loans they (but not the borrowers) KNEW were bad, but the banks insisted on it, because they were just going to dump the load on someone else as a credit default swap anyway, making the default a GOOD thing for them (since it was the only way they could make a profit.) Let us not conflate Freddie and Fannie with banking in general, because they are not, or should not be, identical.
When the banks turned to Freddie and Fannie, who were supposed to be guarenteeing the money on the loan, F&F didn't have the money because Congress (Barney Frank was chairman of the oversight comittee) had reduced the capital reserve requirements for them so they could continue to gaurentee new loans.
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You make it sound like Freddie and Fannie guarantee every bank loan in the US. If anything, it looks like the opposite is true:
Following their mission to meet federal Housing and Urban Development (HUD) housing goals, GSEs such as Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Home Loan Banks (FHLBanks) have striven to improve home ownership of low and middle income families, underserved areas, and generally through special affordable methods such as "the ability to obtain a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage with a low down payment... and the continuous availability of mortgage credit under a wide range of economic conditions." (HUD 2002 Annual Housing Activities Report) Then in 2003-2004, the subprime mortgage crisis began. The market shifted away from regulated GSE's and radically toward Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) issued by unregulated private-label securitization conduits, typically operated by investment banks.
As mortgage originators began to distribute more and more of their loans through private label MBS's, GSE's lost the ability to monitor and control mortgage originators. Competition between the GSEs and private securitizers for loans further undermined GSEs power and strengthened mortgage originators. This contributed to a decline in underwriting standards and was a major cause of the financial crisis.
As mortgage originators began to distribute more and more of their loans through private label MBS's, GSE's lost the ability to monitor and control mortgage originators. Competition between the GSEs and private securitizers for loans further undermined GSEs power and strengthened mortgage originators. This contributed to a decline in underwriting standards and was a major cause of the financial crisis.
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Community Reinvestment Act formally linked to the Sub-Prime/Mortgage Crisis -
- 22/12/2012 09:01:56 PM
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- 22/12/2012 09:01:56 PM
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Did you see the part of the graph where higher debt leveled off in '98 and stayed there 2 years?
- 23/12/2012 04:13:01 AM
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Oh yeah, one of Bill Clinton's last acts as President
- 23/12/2012 02:47:23 PM
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... was signing a bill authored by three Republicans and passed with only ONE Dem Senators vote.
- 23/12/2012 11:37:10 PM
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Nice try - the repeal was all Clinton and Rubin.....buck stops with the leader.
- 24/12/2012 03:44:53 AM
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So the three Republicans who WROTE the bill are blameless; the guy who signed it is at fault.
- 24/12/2012 05:33:21 AM
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"Before you laugh too hard".....
- 24/12/2012 11:32:45 PM
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Also, did you just paraphrase Bill Clintons argument for Robamacare?!
- 25/12/2012 03:36:37 AM
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- 25/12/2012 03:36:37 AM
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I've been trying to explain this to people for years.
- 26/12/2012 02:54:04 PM
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You and most of the GOP, but the facts do not support that narrative.
- 26/12/2012 05:54:28 PM
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Glass-Stegal was not repealed in a vacuum. There were many other regulatory changes
- 26/12/2012 07:40:45 PM
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I know the narrative; the facts still do not support it.
- 26/12/2012 08:43:25 PM
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Only when you ignore half of them.
- 27/12/2012 03:33:53 PM
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The entire "logic" ignores the most salient fact in the whole discussion.
- 28/12/2012 02:34:12 PM
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Your focus on that bill is the error.
- 28/12/2012 04:47:03 PM
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Any stats showing a disproportionate number of Fannie/Freddie defaults were by minorities?
- 28/12/2012 05:50:01 PM
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It has got NOTHING to do with skin color, the only color that should matter in banking is green.
- 28/12/2012 09:36:34 PM
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It should not, no, but the GOP dog whistles demonstrate it does.
- 28/12/2012 10:49:34 PM
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Get over YOUR perception that I give a damn about anyone's genetic background. I don't.
- 29/12/2012 04:18:22 PM
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Your incredible knowledge on this would fill a thimble. There were MULTIPLE issues>
- 28/12/2012 09:50:17 PM
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I love that part, too: "What Carter did in the '70s caused the subprime mortgage crisis in 2005."
- 28/12/2012 10:32:17 PM
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The policy began in the 70s, was MASIVELY expanded in the 90s, and blew up in the 00s.
- 29/12/2012 04:43:26 PM
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CRA was a disaster for the nation.....go ahead, you can admit it.
- 26/12/2012 08:32:33 PM
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The facts are in the graph in the article, and do not support that narrative.
- 26/12/2012 08:44:23 PM
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The facts support it perfectly. You vs. reality is the problem here. *NM*
- 26/12/2012 09:51:45 PM
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It is a pure causation line, get over it.
- 27/12/2012 03:35:19 PM
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Our Second Amendment discussions disqualify you as an authority on causality.
- 28/12/2012 02:58:04 PM
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I couldn't care less about party they both screwed up repeatedly.
- 28/12/2012 04:50:25 PM
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Then why do you insist on blaming Barney Frank exclusively?
- 28/12/2012 05:54:48 PM
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Because he is the person most responsible for forcing banks to lower lending standards. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 06:49:28 PM
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No he is not. It began in the 90s, well before he became chairman of the house commitee. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 09:57:02 PM
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Right, a guy who was only part of the House majority for two years did it all.
- 28/12/2012 11:03:08 PM
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I blame Barny for the under colateralization of F&F that he allowed and blocking the audit.
- 28/12/2012 09:54:27 PM
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Even were the charge valid (it is not,) if you believe it the crisis' main cause naught can help you
- 28/12/2012 11:00:14 PM
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The debate on comparative financial policies of the parties belongs elsewhere. lets keep on point.
- 29/12/2012 04:15:13 PM
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