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I stand corrected; sorry. Joel Send a noteboard - 01/01/2013 08:42:04 PM
...proving what I have been saying all along. It's the line that matters. Though Peterson & Dickerson both seemed to have been among that select group that can elevate their game above and beyond the jump their line gives them.

Yup, but the great ones ironically suffer with savvy fans who know their best years are due in no small part to excellent lines.

It may keep Terrell Davis out of the Hall of Fame: Even though his rushing average and totals consistently improved as Denver went DEEPER in the playoffs, many dismiss him as mere product of the infamous Zone Blocking System. It is true the ZBS made Davis' mediocre successors Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson quite productive, but it is also true NONE of them, not even Clinton Portis, came anywhere near the numbers Davis put up every season after he became the Broncos starter. And, of course, NO ONE has 3 rushing TDs in a Super Bowl—except Terrell Davis; his playoff numbers make even John Riggins and Emmitt Smith look pedestrian, and no one questions whether THEY belong in the Hall.

So, yeah, I hear what you are saying about the critical importance of good blocking; there is no way Emmitt would have the career rushing record with out the brutal offensive line Dallas had in the early '90s. On the other hand, the Lions' offensive line was Swiss cheese throughout the same decade yet Barry Sanders was always unstoppable (his 1998 season still ranks with OJs 1973 season as the only time anyone has run for 2000 yards in just 14 games.) Pass blocking is not the same as run blocking, of course, but if he were being candid I wager Christian Ponder would dispute how good his blockers are.

The Colts are remembered chiefly as the team so awful they did not win a game in 1982 and drafted John Elway with the #1 overall draft, only to have him demand a trade and say he would go make millions pitching for the Yankees if he did not get it. The rest, as they say, is history: Baltimore traded Elway to Denver, where he carried the team to three Super Bowls by the end of the decade, and finally won a pair a decade after that; meanwhile, when the city of Baltimore refused the Colts own demand (a new stadium,) the team moved to Indianapolis the year after the Elway trade. Ironically, the Rams traded them Eric Dickerson the year after THAT,
Nuh-uh. 1987.
but even one of the best runners in history could not make them a decent team.

Thirty years later, here we sit lamenting the fact that, phenomenal as he is DESPITE tearing an ACL AND MCL at the end of last season, Peterson came up a mere 9 yards short of breaking Dickersons record. That context is pretty much the only one in which anyone will ever mention the early '80s Rams and Colts positively.
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What frustrates me most is that, again, we could see it coming: Even in a home dome with a kicker as good as the Vikings', putting the season on a 56 yard field goal attempt would have been risky business, and Peterson has carried them all year. So it was not just likely but inevitable they would feed him one more time, and probable he would run a long way against a Packers D that had nothing left and is pretty bad even when fresh. Thus it was Peterson dashed 27 yards before being tackled in range of an easy field goal, then the Vikings let the clock run down to 0:03, called time out and kicked a field goal to reach the playoffs.

Had Peterson gained a few yards less the back who averaged 6 yards per attempt this year would probably have had one or two more chances, but no: He effectively cost himself the record for most rushing yards in a season BY RUSHING FOR TOO MANY YARDS! I do not know how that is even possible. :confused:

If I thought the Vikings had a snowballs chance (so to speak) of winning at Lambeau, let alone advancing further, I might feel differently. Setting aside the Vikings' notorious and consistent playoff choking all the way back to Super Bowl IV, they lost (probably their best) two starting defensive backs during the Packers game, and one of their best (remaining) receivers probably got a concussion. And, of course, Lambeau in January....
Guaranteed road win? If Eli "hothouse flower" Manning can win there, who can't? I mean, the guy's ONLY cold-weather post-season success has been at Green Bay. Aside from that, he has won in Dallas, Tampa, Arizona, a dome in Indy, and SanFran. Plus a game in his home stadium where his D pitched a shutout and Eli effectively scored the only oppositional points.

It is not that the Pack is so good (they are not; their D is not as dreadful as last year, but last year set the bar pretty low, and theirs is still not a championship D.) The problem is the Vikings are just a great back with a good D, and lost two of their starting defensive backs plus one of their best starting receivers in the second half Sunday. It is no coincidence the Pack was down 20-10 at the half but rallied to tie the game before the Vikings final drive: Without Antoine Winfield and Harrison Smith in their secondary, Minnesota was suddenly very vulnerable to deep passes from one of the best quarterbacks in the game to some of the fastest receivers. They still are; ask the Houston Texans how far a team can get with a good back and front seven: They have had both for their entire history, but are 1-1 all time in playoff games.

About the only good news for the Vikings next week is that when the ball freezes it compresses until it feels like catching a brick, making running much easier than passing. On the other hand, Packers quarterbacks have always done so well on "the Frozen Tundra" that Arnie Herber was winning passing titles 80 years ago: Green Bay has never had any difficulty throwing at home in the cold.

Here is the real question: What if the officials had not awarded the Packers a TD by replay DESPITE acknowledging McCarthy threw his challenge flag, which should have nullified the replay (sustaining the field ruling: Fumble recovered by the Vikings in the endzone; touchback)? Would Peterson have come up nine yards short? After the TD, the Vikings went three-and-out, then the drove down to tie the game with a field goal; what if there had BEEN no TD (as there should not have been) and the Vikings had managed even as much as a field goal after recovering the fumble? Instead of getting the ball back with just a few minutes to play and trying to get within range to break the tie, they would have been up by at least 7, and possibly 10, points, and fed the ball to the leagues leading rusher for the rest of the game.

Is Peterson nine yards short then? No chance.
If your aunt had testicles, she'd be your uncle. A bigger injustice re: running backs is that RG3 might take Rookie of the Year despite not even being the best rookie on his team, let alone the league. Alfred Morris is the reason Griffin has had such a relatively good year by rookie QB standards. When you have such a viable running game, the rookie quarterback is able to content himself with the kind of dink-and-dunk passes that inflate stats and prevent you from being exposed because you never have to throw deep to catch up on huge scoring deficits. When you have a good power-running back/line combo, you can win a Super Bowl with Jeff Hostetler or Trent Dilfer taking the snaps. Bad enough that this farce has already been perpetrated with the same franchise, where Doug Williams stole Timmy Smith's MVP award in Super Bowl XXII (yes, he threw for some spiffy TDs, but this was the same receiving corps that Jay Schroeder took to a 12-4 record the year before, combined with the Hogs giving all the time in the world to throw, against the team that one year before, had allowed a fairly unspectacular QB to set a Super Bowl passing record).

I'm leaning towards Rush Limbaugh being right about the media rooting for black quarterbacks. It might explain how the most-reviled-in-spite-of-his-success QB from last year has a similar style to the can-do-no-wrong QB of this year, but are treated completely differently. And I might add, those similar levels of success are despite a vast difference in the quality of the former Broncos coach each one played for.

Much as I admire Tebows play (he is a passer in the mode of Herber: He is lucky to complete half his passes, but when he DOES complete one it is likely to be for 50+ yards and a TD,) he is not comparable to RGIII. Griffin is FAR more accurate, makes better coverage reads and is, in general, an all around better PASSER, if not necessarily QUARTERBACK, than Tebow is (or was last year; the Jets should fire every last one of their executives for not even TRYING to counteract Sanchezs uselessness with Tebows clutch play.) Griffin can and has consistently win games with his legs OR arm; Tebow has not yet consistently done so with the latter. Like it or not, most people today consider "passer" and "quarterback" synonymous.

All that said, Russell Wilson is a better ORotY candidate than Griffin. As a PASSER, his year has been statistically and otherwise much better than Griffins, and (for perhaps the first time EVER,) the NFCW was a tougher division than the NFCE. After all, the Redskins did not have to do anything more challenging than stand back and wait for Dallas and NY to implode so they won the division by default. :[
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The Dickerson trade was in the strike year. His replacement took over as NFC-leading rusher... - 01/01/2013 02:33:51 AM 441 Views
I stand corrected; sorry. - 01/01/2013 08:42:04 PM 464 Views

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