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View original postI'd love to blame the media for whipping up interest on this, but that's no fairer then a man having an affair blaming the hooker for it. The media has acted like a bunch of whores on this and many other trials, but I'm more disgusted with everyone who keeps paying them. If you like trials, go watch Law & Order, or go pass a bar exam so you can at least opine from expertise. Our justice system is not a goddamn sporting event there to amuse you.


View original postI've never really understood how people can get so fascinated by trials, either. But yeah, it must have something to do with how some trials allow everyone to project their own views and prejudices by siding with one side or the other and demonizing the other.

Sporting event, gladiatorial combat, its really no worse than enjoying a political round table that gets heated or an episode of Jerry Springer. Pick a team, enjoy. I wouldn't object except the 'teams' at a trial include someone who isn't their voluntarily and has presumption of innocence, and we never do this play-by-play with trials where that presumption is pretty obviously minimal, even for grotesque mass murders, twenty second recap of anything out of the ordinary but amusing during the trial, maybe once a week, then a two minute recap when the verdict is rendered, three for a slow news day. They also often gets so passionate that they spark riots and fights and vandalism and murder, Jerry Springer sparked fights too but they were unarmed and on air and I was going to say quickly broken up but they did tend to lag on pulling them apart I think, for the audience's pleasure I assume.


View original postWhich is not to say that I don't have a gut reaction myself, just that it's hardly a topic on which it's important enough to have a balanced opinion to make it worth my while to study it, especially when most spectators use it as a proxy for other debates and views anyway.

Well we all have gut reactions, that's unavoidable so nothing to worry over, render a kneejerk conclusion isn't likely to be terribly accurate but I'm pretty sure snap judgments are something of an evolutionary necessity. Its when one has time to contemplate it but can't eliminate, reduce, or ameliorate one's initial prejudice that it becomes a problem. I'd imagine that even trying not to I know a fair amount about this case simply by osmosis but my trick is whenever I have a gut reaction I immediately try to argue the other side to myself. Probably why I like the bad guys in a lot of stories.

It's the proxy part that really bugs me though, I hate when individual tragedies get used as the basis for laws, they tend to be very bad laws. And I've always felt there was a flavor of necrophilia to using someone's corpse to advance a cause. Everybody does it, but its still pretty fucked up. Nor do cries for 'Justice!' tend to move me much, since the loudest criers always seem to have twisted notions of what the term means. In any event, once one has turned an individual case into the basis for one's narrative on political causes then its basically impossible for someone to change their mind, they don't want and have an emotional anchor to the side their on. If I did view this case as all about gun rights then I'm stuck with that, because I sure as heck ain't going to change my mind about gun rights so I can't dare change my mind about the case. And while that's less despicable then carrying a corpse around as a banner its also a lot more dangerous in its own way.


View original postWhether to blame the media for the biased sensationalist rags they have turned into is always something of a chicken and egg discussion, but since some media manage to maintain higher standards, I'd say some amount of blame is probably justified.

Believe me, I don't need much of an excuse to sneer at the media, its just like politicians though, everybody blames them for everything while conveniently forgetting their own non-insignificant role in fostering such behavior.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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Sure - 16/07/2013 06:49:20 PM 730 Views
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Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 10:07:13 PM 936 Views
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Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to? - 15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM 877 Views
Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime. - 15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM 744 Views
Danny... - 15/07/2013 01:32:03 PM 843 Views
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+1 *NM* - 15/07/2013 06:40:15 PM 528 Views
would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM* - 16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM 499 Views
Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials - 16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM 711 Views
when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play. - 16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM 755 Views
That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case - 16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM 772 Views
When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered - 16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM 867 Views
I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them - 16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM 770 Views
It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem.... - 16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM 834 Views
I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM 904 Views
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Jury instructions - 18/07/2013 04:12:29 AM 969 Views
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I just want to comment on two points from your reply - 19/07/2013 09:47:06 PM 730 Views
I'm pretty throughly exhausted of this - 19/07/2013 10:46:22 PM 819 Views
Nice. - 16/07/2013 09:01:50 PM 926 Views
Thanks - 16/07/2013 09:48:00 PM 760 Views
Well said. - 17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM 926 Views
it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows - 17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM 908 Views
Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end - 17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM 772 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 18/07/2013 02:08:25 AM 564 Views
That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM 817 Views
Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM 924 Views
are agree with your general concept - 18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM 1049 Views
Good. - 15/07/2013 02:11:12 PM 750 Views
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there is zero evidience to support that assumption - 19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM 730 Views
Let's see - Martin was using drugs..... - 16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM 787 Views
Does that mean he should have been hunted down and shot? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:22:43 PM 492 Views
He wasn't, so your question is irrelevant. - 16/07/2013 05:37:27 PM 714 Views

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