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You just completely undermined your point Roland00 Send a noteboard - 02/10/2009 06:22:54 AM
Oh yeah because some news papers and politicians got people worked up. Go back and read some of the things they used to say about each other back then. Today is civil and honest in comparison.


We fought those wars because
1812
a) Due to north englanders, aka the merchants, convincing that it was necessary due to trade restrictions with the British as well impressment.
b) Expansion into the northwesterner terroritories such as Ohio and the fact that the British were trading with those indian heathens
Spanish American War
a) Cuban independence/Destruction of the Maine

Both of these were "we" the United States against an "other." "We fought these wars, even though "We" didn't benefit from such wars but instead a very very small part of our society did.

This is the complete opposite of what you are arguing, this is the exact same point Friedman made.

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Furthermore you didn't rebuke any of my points. With the exception of the civil war, when have we had a system where we treat our political parties as sports teams, where we don't care about results but instead political entertainment and at the same time have instant tactile feedback. We don't read about political debates in the house and senate committees in our black and white newspapers which take days even weeks to reach us (due to the telegraph, merchant lines, horse and carriage etc), no instead it is instantly up on youtube or cspan. We are seeing everything live, and we have institutions which cater on pushing this political entertainment meme for they make advertising/merchandising profits.
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She's a good example of two wrongs don't make a right. nossy - 01/10/2009 11:31:29 PM 365 Views
that was hyperbole, as he's said OVER AND OVER imlad - 02/10/2009 06:21:16 PM 344 Views
really which elected leaders on the right talked about death panels? random thoughts - 02/10/2009 06:41:05 PM 370 Views
Dumb column from Friedman.....read a history book..... trzaska2000 - 01/10/2009 11:15:46 PM 386 Views
politcas has always been a full contact sport random thoughts - 01/10/2009 11:40:19 PM 358 Views
I disagree, obviously. Legolas - 02/10/2009 12:11:48 AM 455 Views
No, it hasn't always been like this; I think Watergate changed it, and maybe Vietnam. Joel - 02/10/2009 02:13:07 AM 449 Views
remarkably, i agree with the troll moondog - 02/10/2009 06:27:40 AM 385 Views
Partisanship, yes, but this is more than that. Joel - 02/10/2009 06:57:14 AM 450 Views
i see things at a different level than you do moondog - 02/10/2009 07:31:24 AM 373 Views
Personally, I think you're seeing the cart rather than the horse, but that's just me. Joel - 02/10/2009 08:14:46 AM 479 Views
Not true Roland00 - 02/10/2009 12:32:58 AM 378 Views
why did we fight the Spanish American War and the War of 1812 again? random thoughts - 02/10/2009 04:18:56 AM 335 Views
You just completely undermined your point Roland00 - 02/10/2009 06:22:54 AM 390 Views
No you simply missed the point random thoughts - 02/10/2009 02:40:30 PM 379 Views
don't forget imlad - 02/10/2009 06:50:17 PM 349 Views
I didn't forget it, it was in my first line for part A Roland00 - 03/10/2009 12:53:18 AM 365 Views
honest??? imlad - 02/10/2009 06:46:30 PM 341 Views
all things are relative random thoughts - 02/10/2009 10:11:27 PM 344 Views
maybe we should go back to the good old days of Aaron Burr imlad - 02/10/2009 06:25:37 PM 380 Views
I think the role of cable news is over played random thoughts - 01/10/2009 11:29:26 PM 374 Views
Possibly. Legolas - 02/10/2009 12:02:05 AM 383 Views
To many people distrust the media for it to be just the right who distrust them random thoughts - 02/10/2009 04:15:50 AM 436 Views
Why thoughts on British politics TheCrownless - 02/10/2009 01:55:59 AM 385 Views
i agree that the fringe has way more power than it should, but... moondog - 02/10/2009 06:38:41 AM 375 Views
I think Friedman puts it very well when he says... Legolas - 02/10/2009 11:24:02 AM 359 Views
did I read this correctly? random thoughts - 02/10/2009 03:00:33 PM 378 Views
As I already told you, this is not about "the left" complaining. Legolas - 02/10/2009 03:38:15 PM 479 Views
it didn't become an issue until it started hurting the left random thoughts - 02/10/2009 04:44:29 PM 352 Views
Eh, many aspects of it have been criticized for a long time. Legolas - 02/10/2009 09:12:22 PM 418 Views
a few points random thoughts - 02/10/2009 11:23:12 PM 602 Views
Re: a few points Legolas - 03/10/2009 12:52:03 AM 514 Views
one final point random thoughts - 03/10/2009 06:48:09 AM 341 Views
also, about clinton, since you say you were too young to remember... moondog - 02/10/2009 06:47:45 AM 482 Views
really because my memory goes back further then that and things were nasty then to random thoughts - 02/10/2009 03:04:58 PM 339 Views
Is it that bad ? AgentOrange - 02/10/2009 06:06:34 PM 345 Views
No, where did common sense go? Vodalus - 02/10/2009 10:27:22 PM 369 Views
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