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That seems to be stretching the definition of the word. Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/06/2014 06:38:35 PM

I admit I haven't done too much digging yet, but if you read this, a US military assessment of him on Wikileaks, it does mention the contacts with al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups, but it doesn't mention any involvement whatsoever in violent actions. Is it enough to be jailed under normal circumstances - yes, of course, it's undeniably aiding and abetting terrorists, though I think it's a stretch to say it makes him personally a terrorist any more than, say, an Irish-American funding the IRA during the Troubles is a terrorist. Would it get him more than the twelve years in jail that he's already served - that, I'm not so sure of.

What's sure is that many people with much worse records have been released in the past as conflicts came to a resolution - and that people with much worse records have even been welcomed and fĂȘted by the US or other Western governments, I doubt I need to provide examples. So yes, I can grant that Obama negotiated badly, but not that this guy was so horrible that he should never have been released, as a lot of people seem to be saying.

View original postDo you think these five Taliban scum are going to just sit quietly in Qatar? I doubt it. Even from Qatar, they can direct acts against the US and coalition allies in Afghanistan. Their mere release is a morale boost. They could easily slip out of Qatar and end up in Pakistan somewhere alongside Mullah Omar. And of course five top-ranking Taliban are not worth one deserter. It incenses me in a way that nothing this President has done has. It undermines the entire point of the war America undertook in 2001 in Afghanistan and has been waging since then, at a cost of more than 1,000 US dead. Unlike the US departure from Afghanistan, which can sort of be justified as an imperfect solution to the problem of an endless war, what Obama did is a direct humiliation to the memory of the dead and a candid admission of defeat.

Afghanistan is negotiating with the Taliban. Pakistan is negotiating with the Taliban or related groups. We really didn't need this deal to tell us that the war's goal of destroying the influence of the Taliban had failed.

And do I think they're going to sit quietly in Qatar - not quietly exactly, no, but I do think Qatar doesn't want its reputation blemished by letting them slip away. Of course this is a morale-booster for the Taliban, which is why it should have been done in exchange for more serious concessions.

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Obama negotiates with terrorists, gains the release of a US deserter and possible traitor. - 03/06/2014 04:44:35 AM 1304 Views
I don't think it is that cut and dry - 03/06/2014 01:00:16 PM 629 Views
It is now cut and dry, he is a deserter..... - 03/06/2014 04:18:21 PM 626 Views
Bull. Shit. - 03/06/2014 04:46:08 PM 727 Views
he has right to a trial - 03/06/2014 06:27:39 PM 591 Views
Well of course he does. I can't act as his judge, jury and executioner, either. - 03/06/2014 06:45:58 PM 733 Views
I think he is guilty as hell - 03/06/2014 11:24:02 PM 666 Views
I don't think he should have rot there, either. - 04/06/2014 04:05:18 AM 570 Views
I agree with with all of that *NM* - 04/06/2014 12:59:45 PM 358 Views
glad to see you put your politics above your country, tom - 04/06/2014 07:32:55 PM 617 Views
You're full of shit, as usual. - 04/06/2014 07:45:43 PM 577 Views
and you are more brainwashed, as usual - 04/06/2014 07:56:29 PM 589 Views
Moondog = braindead partisan hack - 04/06/2014 08:52:28 PM 538 Views
You really are stupid, aren't you? - 05/06/2014 05:26:38 PM 530 Views
thank you for having the reasonable approach to this - 03/06/2014 07:56:49 PM 594 Views
Obama is a weak fool - 03/06/2014 04:04:58 PM 557 Views
They should impeach the fucking douchebag. - 03/06/2014 04:48:28 PM 556 Views
I'm picturing you ranting to a half-empty bar as you wave a glass around, and it's amusing - 05/06/2014 03:52:15 PM 581 Views
Yeah, I don't really picture you at all. - 05/06/2014 05:20:48 PM 540 Views
Haha awww who's a Grouchy Gus today? - 05/06/2014 06:24:25 PM 535 Views
Sounds like you do picture him. *NM* - 07/06/2014 08:38:42 PM 287 Views
"Terrorists" doesn't seem accurate. Enemy combatants, okay, but even that was limited. - 03/06/2014 05:56:15 PM 621 Views
Wasiq was involved with relations with al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups. He is a terrorist. - 03/06/2014 06:09:22 PM 544 Views
That seems to be stretching the definition of the word. - 03/06/2014 06:38:35 PM 680 Views
Serious question....as Tom mentioned.....should Obama be impeached for this? - 03/06/2014 06:55:24 PM 552 Views
stupid answer: yes, impeach Obama at your earliest convenience *NM* - 03/06/2014 08:48:28 PM 424 Views
Funny that the military top brass agrees with it, then. - 03/06/2014 08:51:48 PM 607 Views
Sec. Gates was against it when he was Sec. of Defense, Panetta said hell no. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:07:49 AM 305 Views
Yup, most top military leadership was against this reckless move. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:26:16 AM 311 Views
STATEMENT BY JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF GENERAL MARTIN E. DEMPSEY - 04/06/2014 07:36:43 PM 578 Views
These people will say what Obama orders them to say. *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:17:14 AM 289 Views
Statement by Secretary of the Army John McHugh - 04/06/2014 07:37:35 PM 670 Views
lots of republicans were for Bergdahl's release before they were against it - 04/06/2014 07:42:45 PM 620 Views
you missed the one where they suggest trading high level captives for his return - 04/06/2014 09:37:22 PM 555 Views
Oh wait, that's because it doesn't exist... *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:18:11 AM 316 Views
you do know I was being sarcastic? - 05/06/2014 06:11:39 PM 675 Views
Oh yes. I was just adding to the general tone. - 06/06/2014 03:01:11 PM 553 Views
so you must know all the details since you're secretly a top-level government official? - 05/06/2014 08:41:14 PM 574 Views
was this a reply to the correct comment? *NM* - 06/06/2014 05:45:16 PM 330 Views
no *NM* - 03/06/2014 11:19:09 PM 317 Views
Guerrillas or insurgents, actually. - 04/06/2014 01:47:26 AM 726 Views
Does Bowe Bergdahl = Nicholas Brady? - 04/06/2014 04:30:02 AM 588 Views
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. - 04/06/2014 09:29:15 PM 539 Views
Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 06:21:59 AM 523 Views
Re: Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 08:43:55 PM 543 Views
You seem to have missed the concept of "Justified" in there - 07/06/2014 11:36:25 PM 654 Views
no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 09/06/2014 09:37:49 PM 543 Views
Re: no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 10/06/2014 03:43:49 AM 557 Views
a few facts you are neglecting - 11/06/2014 07:08:16 PM 490 Views
You may want to not paint everyone with the same brush there. - 11/06/2014 08:03:31 PM 550 Views
Thank you *NM* - 11/06/2014 11:01:58 PM 375 Views
I... don't really care, to be honest - 05/06/2014 03:17:25 PM 591 Views
I'm kinda undecided on this - 06/06/2014 03:32:16 AM 604 Views

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