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Re: no, i'm pretty sure i got it right Isaac Send a noteboard - 10/06/2014 03:43:49 AM

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View original postYou have to justify the cost of everything. Just as no rational person would pay $1000 for a pack of Twizzlers, no rational President would pay 5 taliban generals for one deserter. No one would be arguing if we paid $10,000 cash.




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View original postif paying $1000 for a pack of twizzlers meant a generation or more of peaceful co-existence, and a lifetime of American opportunity and prosperity then it would be a very cheap pack of twizzlers, indeed.


View original postI've never seen on the side of pack of twizzlers a promise of world peace, albeit I've not sought to buy any recently. Were there one I'd still expect a plausible explanation for how it was to be achieved. As best as I can tell the president basically decided to buy a rolex from some random criminal on the streets using company funds without consulting his partners and at 5x the regular price then came home to find out it wasn't just not a rolex but might actually have a particularly nasty type of mold growing in the wristband ready to spread to his other possessions.


View original postAnd you're not only defending this, you're praising it as a brilliant move and insulting those who disagree... there is a line between favorable devotion and outright lunatic fanatical following. You've crossed it. It may well be that when all the facts are presented and the dust clears that this wasn't a bad deal, or maybe even a brilliant one in some thus far unseen way like we have trackers on the guys we traded, but from the known information it looks pretty damned stupid, and you as well for not just defending it but declaring it some sort of master stroke.




View original posti'm only insulting those who think that leaving bergdahl to die was the better option. as a former soldier, how would you have felt to be captured, only to be released to the cacophony of people telling you that not only should you have never been released, but that your family should be killed for allowing Obama to negotiate your freedom? maybe Obama should have staged a fake rescue operation like his predecessor so that we would have something worth arguing about....

How would I feel if this absurdly improbable scenario occurred? Honestly I'd be stupefied to find out I'd been traded for multiple high level prisoners and be expecting my peers to be demanding a damn good explanation for how I got myself isolated and taken without a fight and didn't find a way to escape or kill myself. Look, I don't mind giving this guy the benefit of the doubt to explain himself but don't let that fool you, I think he's guilty. There are slim odds he wasn't a deserter and most alternate explanations require monumental cowardice or negligence. So you're suggesting a highly implausible scenario and acting like the rest of us are barking mad for working off the more likely one. You also dodged the whole bit about the president not informing congress as he was legally bound to do. Are we worthy of insult because we're pissed the president undeniably and indisputably broke the law?

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Obama negotiates with terrorists, gains the release of a US deserter and possible traitor. - 03/06/2014 04:44:35 AM 1297 Views
I don't think it is that cut and dry - 03/06/2014 01:00:16 PM 626 Views
It is now cut and dry, he is a deserter..... - 03/06/2014 04:18:21 PM 619 Views
Bull. Shit. - 03/06/2014 04:46:08 PM 720 Views
he has right to a trial - 03/06/2014 06:27:39 PM 586 Views
Well of course he does. I can't act as his judge, jury and executioner, either. - 03/06/2014 06:45:58 PM 726 Views
I think he is guilty as hell - 03/06/2014 11:24:02 PM 659 Views
I don't think he should have rot there, either. - 04/06/2014 04:05:18 AM 566 Views
I agree with with all of that *NM* - 04/06/2014 12:59:45 PM 355 Views
glad to see you put your politics above your country, tom - 04/06/2014 07:32:55 PM 614 Views
You're full of shit, as usual. - 04/06/2014 07:45:43 PM 573 Views
and you are more brainwashed, as usual - 04/06/2014 07:56:29 PM 585 Views
Moondog = braindead partisan hack - 04/06/2014 08:52:28 PM 535 Views
You really are stupid, aren't you? - 05/06/2014 05:26:38 PM 523 Views
thank you for having the reasonable approach to this - 03/06/2014 07:56:49 PM 588 Views
Obama is a weak fool - 03/06/2014 04:04:58 PM 550 Views
They should impeach the fucking douchebag. - 03/06/2014 04:48:28 PM 548 Views
I'm picturing you ranting to a half-empty bar as you wave a glass around, and it's amusing - 05/06/2014 03:52:15 PM 577 Views
Yeah, I don't really picture you at all. - 05/06/2014 05:20:48 PM 536 Views
Haha awww who's a Grouchy Gus today? - 05/06/2014 06:24:25 PM 528 Views
Sounds like you do picture him. *NM* - 07/06/2014 08:38:42 PM 283 Views
Serious question....as Tom mentioned.....should Obama be impeached for this? - 03/06/2014 06:55:24 PM 547 Views
stupid answer: yes, impeach Obama at your earliest convenience *NM* - 03/06/2014 08:48:28 PM 420 Views
Funny that the military top brass agrees with it, then. - 03/06/2014 08:51:48 PM 600 Views
Sec. Gates was against it when he was Sec. of Defense, Panetta said hell no. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:07:49 AM 302 Views
Yup, most top military leadership was against this reckless move. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:26:16 AM 308 Views
STATEMENT BY JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF GENERAL MARTIN E. DEMPSEY - 04/06/2014 07:36:43 PM 575 Views
These people will say what Obama orders them to say. *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:17:14 AM 287 Views
Statement by Secretary of the Army John McHugh - 04/06/2014 07:37:35 PM 663 Views
lots of republicans were for Bergdahl's release before they were against it - 04/06/2014 07:42:45 PM 617 Views
you missed the one where they suggest trading high level captives for his return - 04/06/2014 09:37:22 PM 551 Views
Oh wait, that's because it doesn't exist... *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:18:11 AM 312 Views
you do know I was being sarcastic? - 05/06/2014 06:11:39 PM 669 Views
Oh yes. I was just adding to the general tone. - 06/06/2014 03:01:11 PM 547 Views
so you must know all the details since you're secretly a top-level government official? - 05/06/2014 08:41:14 PM 570 Views
was this a reply to the correct comment? *NM* - 06/06/2014 05:45:16 PM 326 Views
no *NM* - 03/06/2014 11:19:09 PM 315 Views
Guerrillas or insurgents, actually. - 04/06/2014 01:47:26 AM 719 Views
Does Bowe Bergdahl = Nicholas Brady? - 04/06/2014 04:30:02 AM 583 Views
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. - 04/06/2014 09:29:15 PM 538 Views
Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 06:21:59 AM 519 Views
Re: Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 08:43:55 PM 536 Views
You seem to have missed the concept of "Justified" in there - 07/06/2014 11:36:25 PM 647 Views
no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 09/06/2014 09:37:49 PM 535 Views
Re: no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 10/06/2014 03:43:49 AM 552 Views
a few facts you are neglecting - 11/06/2014 07:08:16 PM 484 Views
You may want to not paint everyone with the same brush there. - 11/06/2014 08:03:31 PM 545 Views
Thank you *NM* - 11/06/2014 11:01:58 PM 374 Views
I... don't really care, to be honest - 05/06/2014 03:17:25 PM 585 Views
I'm kinda undecided on this - 06/06/2014 03:32:16 AM 598 Views

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