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he was not choked to death and he was not choked for selling cigerettes random thoughts Send a noteboard - 04/12/2014 02:28:44 PM

He was saying "I can't breath" said it seven or eight times. If you are talking you are breathing, they go hand in hand. The corner say the choke hold was a factor but so was the person kneeling on his back (chest compression) and so was his heart condition. The police did not take him to ground for selling smokes, he was taken to ground because he resisted arrest.

Choke holds are against policy (not the same as being illegal) and the officer should be punished for using it but I have seen no evidence that he intended to harm much less kill Garner. As in most cases where people are injured fighting the police Garner takes some measure of fault for what happened to him. He was very large man and did not go down easy. They could have tased him but with his bad heart the results may have been the same.

We do need to have a discussion about police and community interaction but part of that discussion needs to "if you fight the cops and get hurt is your dumbass fault" and we need to avoid such hyperbole as "black man chocked to death for selling cigerettes"

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New York cop pushes black man's face into pavement and chokes him to death for selling cigerettes Sports_Gambler - 04/12/2014 12:03:54 AM 1308 Views
What does his color have to do with anything? Cannoli - 04/12/2014 07:37:08 AM 833 Views
A short answer for your long post beetnemesis - 04/12/2014 04:43:12 PM 685 Views
123 blacks shot to death by cops in 2012; 326 whites. Cannoli - 05/12/2014 12:40:56 AM 778 Views
These numbers make me angry. Urza - 05/12/2014 05:39:26 AM 687 Views
I hate these stats, so misleading. Only 13% of the US population is black! Nebhead - 05/12/2014 02:02:18 PM 864 Views
"Proportions, man." LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 02:28:23 PM 643 Views
math is hard nossy - 05/12/2014 02:45:08 PM 738 Views
It doesn't matter why. LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 03:19:54 PM 877 Views
it does to me. nossy - 05/12/2014 03:52:01 PM 684 Views
Dangerous territories when you talk socioeconomics The Shrike - 05/12/2014 04:08:57 PM 646 Views
Danger is my middle name. *NM* nossy - 05/12/2014 04:47:23 PM 357 Views
But that's a completely separate issue than the one that the post is talking about. LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 05:12:44 PM 810 Views
Heh, yes. Because none of us ever adds layers to these posts. Ever. nossy - 05/12/2014 07:34:04 PM 708 Views
That is SUCH A BAD SENTENCE. nossy - 05/12/2014 08:07:18 PM 701 Views
I'm not Tom The Shrike - 05/12/2014 10:13:43 PM 643 Views
Thus spake Patsy Stone! LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 10:15:44 PM 655 Views
Sweetie Darling The Shrike - 05/12/2014 10:16:34 PM 552 Views
Okay. I can agree that we do go on tangents. LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 10:23:21 PM 973 Views
Re: "Proportions, man." Nebhead - 05/12/2014 03:34:16 PM 900 Views
So what you have implied here then is that The Shrike - 05/12/2014 04:05:10 PM 698 Views
That's a fair assumption to make *shrug* *NM* Nebhead - 07/12/2014 05:35:59 PM 468 Views
And now you're the one doing exactly what you implied Cannoli was doing. LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 05:17:25 PM 621 Views
Implicit in your posts seems to be the assumption that crime rates and arrest rates are equal Ghavrel - 06/12/2014 09:26:13 AM 779 Views
If you want to keep getting deeper in the weeds..... Anonymous2000 - 06/12/2014 07:28:49 PM 590 Views
I'm not disputing that; I'm saying there's an issue with the overall rates of arrest. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2014 08:29:49 PM 312 Views
the problem with your example is it the execption not the rule random thoughts - 08/12/2014 02:40:14 PM 640 Views
I don't have any proof of that either way. I agree that broken window policing plays a role. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/12/2014 12:25:14 AM 258 Views
They question is it it worth the cost? random thoughts - 09/12/2014 04:40:02 PM 508 Views
...I'm doing no such thing. Nebhead - 07/12/2014 05:27:13 PM 778 Views
L-Dog is right, you are wrong, look at the proportion of crimes committed..... Anonymous2000 - 05/12/2014 06:30:29 PM 692 Views
Erm, no. Nebhead - 07/12/2014 05:34:38 PM 891 Views
Unbelievable. I have no words... *NM* ironclad - 04/12/2014 10:15:32 AM 563 Views
he was not choked to death and he was not choked for selling cigerettes random thoughts - 04/12/2014 02:28:44 PM 652 Views
I mean, "Killed him without intent" is pretty much the definition of manslaughter, isn't it? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/12/2014 04:44:18 PM 380 Views
sorry but it isn't random thoughts - 04/12/2014 05:54:27 PM 614 Views
did you actually watch the video of his death? moondog - 04/12/2014 06:30:26 PM 675 Views
OK watched it all the way. Which one of my conclusions were suppossed to change? random thoughts - 04/12/2014 07:39:07 PM 557 Views
sorry, i mistook you for a human capable of compassion. my mistake moondog - 04/12/2014 07:47:35 PM 583 Views
Don't worry I don't mistaake you for someone capable of rational thought random thoughts - 04/12/2014 10:56:44 PM 581 Views
The guy is dead due to preexisting medical conditions and for resisting arrest. Anonymous2000 - 04/12/2014 05:11:41 PM 566 Views
watch the video below - the choke hold applied is barred from use by NYPD rules moondog - 04/12/2014 07:43:15 PM 729 Views
The multi-racial grand jury concluded it wasn't a choke hold. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 04/12/2014 07:47:31 PM 296 Views
with secret testimony how do you know for sure? they only chose not to indict moondog - 04/12/2014 07:52:04 PM 586 Views
The grand jury had all the facts, much, much, much more than you could imagine. Anonymous2000 - 04/12/2014 08:00:51 PM 626 Views
the grand jury had all the facts the DA felt they needed to not indict and much much more moondog - 04/12/2014 08:10:26 PM 529 Views
according to you all they needed was the video and if they didn't see that there is a problem *NM* random thoughts - 04/12/2014 10:58:34 PM 345 Views
I find this video much more damning random thoughts - 05/12/2014 05:01:11 AM 781 Views
That's pretty much what a police lieutenant in my hometown said. Cannoli - 05/12/2014 05:42:51 AM 743 Views
where did you get the heart attack from? wikipedia shows it as a homicide, as it should moondog - 04/12/2014 06:32:44 PM 602 Views
Homicide doesn't equal crime, look up the medical/legal definition of the word. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 04/12/2014 07:49:06 PM 287 Views
if only it were possible to get to the facts in a court case to prove one way or the other *NM* moondog - 04/12/2014 07:53:18 PM 339 Views
Even wiki says he died of a heart attack on his way to the hospital random thoughts - 04/12/2014 08:06:00 PM 609 Views
Wikipedia once told me about President McKinley having magical powers & Terry Goodkind being Batman Cannoli - 04/12/2014 11:44:00 PM 640 Views
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