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Yeah, it was tense enough from the outside... Legolas Send a noteboard - 10/05/2015 10:42:53 PM

View original postAnd there are LOADS of Scots who voted for the SNP to stick it to Labour for various reasons, one of which was working with the Conservatives in the Better Together campaign for a No vote in the Referendum.

I've never quite understood this visceral hatred of the Tories in Scotland... yeah, Thatcher, the poll tax, but there seems to be more to it? It has to be pretty extreme if Labour is blamed just for associating with the Tories in Better Together as you say.
View original postCan you imagine how hard it would have been to sell two separate No campaigns? "Oh yes, we want the UK to stay together but we couldn't possibly work with someone else to achieve that."

Heh, yes. I thought they worked together pretty well, all things considered.
View original postThe SNP won't use this general election as a mandate to push for another referendum, but there's a Scottish parliament election next year and the likelihood is that the SNP will get a vast majority since there's not a hope in hell of Labour appealing to the people who have just voted against them. So they'll use that to ask Westminster for another referendum. And then Westminster will be between a rock and a hard place since they can't say no as the SNP will use that against them, and they can't say yes because then the UK will split. They could say yes on the proviso there's a certain percentage of votes before any change but they didn't ask for that last time so I don't know if they would again.

I don't think the SNP's vast majority is something that will last in the long run, but yeah, long enough to win big at the 2016 Holyrood elections no doubt. I don't know if Cameron can make real progress on additional devolution fast enough to make a real difference, but in any case that should be an option in the referendum this time around.

I was reading up recently on the events of 1979 - the Scottish referendum on devolution back then did have such a proviso, so even though the Yes camp won a majority, they hadn't reached enough votes. Then the SNP for some reason decided to help Thatcher bring down the Labour government, and the rest as they say is history - you've got to wonder what things would've been like with devolution twenty years earlier, perhaps the Tories wouldn't have imploded so badly in Scotland then.

View original postI really, really hate the idea of another referendum. The last one was awful, really divisive, made me angry with a few of my friends (and question their intellect, which is unfair) and was a horribly stressful time. I actually cried when the first results came in for No.

I can imagine - ordinary elections are bad enough in that regard, a yes/no referendum on something that crucial must be a lot worse.

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David Cameron whoops ass..... Anonymous2000 - 08/05/2015 01:33:15 PM 2149 Views
This time you're not talking nonsense. Legolas - 08/05/2015 05:36:35 PM 669 Views
The UK election system is as much a mystery as is cricket..... Anonymous2000 - 08/05/2015 05:44:31 PM 672 Views
It's basically the same system as yours, you do realize? For Congress, anyway. Legolas - 08/05/2015 06:32:54 PM 619 Views
The Scots seem quite suicidal Tom - 09/05/2015 04:29:31 AM 592 Views
Yes - but so do the Eurosceptic English. Legolas - 09/05/2015 09:27:39 AM 626 Views
The euro can only survive in one form Tom - 09/05/2015 05:39:34 PM 683 Views
Devaluation isn't exactly what you'd call a long-term solution. Legolas - 09/05/2015 08:38:54 PM 603 Views
Oh, I certainly don't support the populist parties Tom - 11/05/2015 01:43:23 AM 493 Views
I agree, "far right" is a misleading label in some ways. Legolas - 11/05/2015 09:29:56 PM 652 Views
What fool or fools started the EU? Anonymous2000 - 09/05/2015 01:37:27 PM 516 Views
Because Europe was doing so well before then, right? Legolas - 09/05/2015 07:51:30 PM 626 Views
The Euro would have worked better if there had been fiscal integration. Rebekah - 10/05/2015 09:43:43 PM 717 Views
Re Scotland: Rebekah - 10/05/2015 09:41:43 PM 622 Views
Yeah, it was tense enough from the outside... Legolas - 10/05/2015 10:42:53 PM 644 Views
So what is the SNP going to do if Cameron tells them (rightly) to sod off about another referendum? Tom - 11/05/2015 01:45:16 AM 583 Views
Not the SNP so much as the people. Rebekah - 11/05/2015 02:00:32 PM 696 Views
So the mob rules now, does it? Tom - 11/05/2015 06:04:04 PM 621 Views
Significant devolution will happen, that's for sure. Legolas - 11/05/2015 09:07:00 PM 575 Views
Why? Tom - 12/05/2015 07:10:31 AM 639 Views
I think that's enough Putin speeches for you for today. *NM* Legolas - 12/05/2015 06:37:23 PM 408 Views
Ha! It helps to not be 10 martinis in when you post, too. *NM* Tom - 12/05/2015 11:41:48 PM 376 Views
I guess you haven't watched braveheart? random thoughts - 13/05/2015 01:49:30 PM 601 Views
You are a sad sorry little man, and I pity you. *NM* Wibble - 15/05/2015 12:03:37 AM 441 Views
Re: It's basically the same system as yours, you do realize? For Congress, anyway. Duke - 11/05/2015 05:32:55 AM 678 Views
The US is made up of 50 nations random thoughts - 12/05/2015 03:19:25 PM 532 Views
Indeed, but with the same two parties everywhere. Legolas - 12/05/2015 06:35:27 PM 588 Views
Wisconsin's drinking age The Shrike - 13/05/2015 01:09:53 PM 663 Views
Texas has similar laws random thoughts - 13/05/2015 01:44:29 PM 507 Views
I know. It's really sad that that's the most reasonable law anywhere in the US... Legolas - 13/05/2015 06:26:09 PM 641 Views
It's the same in Louisiana. Ghavrel - 14/05/2015 08:23:20 AM 579 Views
The states still can set the drinking age, incidentally. The feds can just withhold some funds. Ghavrel - 13/05/2015 02:55:51 AM 549 Views
They have still gutted the 10th amendment random thoughts - 13/05/2015 01:47:53 PM 536 Views
I agree they've gutted it. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Ghavrel - 14/05/2015 07:37:22 AM 544 Views
Well your elected senators are not that stellar random thoughts - 14/05/2015 01:38:37 PM 549 Views
What about open primaries like in California? *NM* Legolas - 15/05/2015 07:22:08 PM 305 Views
Texas kind of has open primaries random thoughts - 18/05/2015 08:34:43 PM 661 Views
They're all right. They're a hell of a lot better than our elected state legislature. Ghavrel - 17/05/2015 05:37:35 AM 559 Views
Three cheers for foodbanks! *NM* Dion - 12/05/2015 02:51:06 AM 355 Views
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