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View original postUnlike ANY of your examples, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Rodney King, Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were all hurt or killed in public, and most of them picked the fight themselves.


View original postLeaving home justifies no one—certainly not peace officers serving the public—assaulting, much less KILLING, a person. Beyond that, one by one:


View original postGarner not only did not pick the fight but, ironically, witnesses say he had just STOPPED one between others (where were the "peace officers" during that?) He took no threatening action against the cops, only resisted THEIR threatening acts. You have consistently argued his death was societys fault for 1) creating sin taxes and 2) empowering cops to enforce them: Fault=liability, so what are we debating? According to your OP, nothing: This outcome is better than "than indicting a bunch of idiot stormtroopers for following orders" (because being ordered to do something removes agency and accountability; that apply to clerks issuing gays marriage licenses and doctors/nurses performing abortions?) So what changed betweenthe OP and here?

By refusing to be handcuffed for the crime he was committing he started the fight. Could they have arrested him less force? possibly but once the started to physically resist being arrested he was the one initiating violence.




View original postTamir Rice is totally innocent by virtue of being totally innocent: He did nothing wrong and the cops own video shows he made NO threatening movement, yet they opened fire so fast their squad car had not even stopped rolling. Then claimed they exited their vehicle and told Rice three times to raise his hands, only firing when they saw him reach into his waistband: Too bad NONE OF THAT BS ACTUALLY HAPPENED, as the cops own video shows. A 12-year-old can intentionally shoot someone, so his age would not automatically excuse him; his total innocence does. And yet: The murderers were acquitted, because they had badges.

Tamir Rice was a tragedy but he was lifting his shirt and the police had every reason to believe he was dangerous. How certain are you that the police did not use the PA system to tell him to put his hands up? You do know they have those right?

This case was tragedy which should and has been reviewed putting young officer in prison for making the wrong judgment in situation we the people asked him to risk him life by engaging a person he was told was an armed dangerous suspect would just be another tragedy. He was only out risking his life because we ask him to and now you want to tell that if he makes a mistake you will demand he go to prison? What makes that even more disgusting is the root of all this is racism and not the racism of the cops but the racism of the mob who wants to convict of of being white cop like all the white cops they hate.
Might as well start burning crosses and get a white hood.



View original postRodney Kings case has no conclusive evidence of why cops began beating him, but there is cause to believe he initiated it: But once a suspect is MOTIONLESS and UNCONSCIOUS, any threat he may have posed has ended, so clubbing him should too.

Sorry total BS. King never stopped trying to get up until the very end. More white cops sacrificed and the altar of he self hating beta male liberals who have never forgiven themselves for being born white and are to weak to accept the punishment they feel they are due and instead look for whipping boys to appease their guilt.




View original postTrayvon Martin was stalked and attacked but "stood his ground," as was his legal right in that state: So overcoming that attacker, getting on top of him and repeatedly slamming his head into the ground would have been equally legal and lethal had that attacker not shot Martin first. BOTH were legally entitled to kill each other the MOMENT that fight began, WHOEVER started it (and Zimmerman pursued Martin long enough to call the cops, end that call, then call back later.) So EITHER backing down short of the others unconsciousness or death would have invited his own legally justified death. Maybe LAPD should have beaten King in FL, where irrelevancies like neutralizing an attackers threat creates no duty to cease beating him. Stand Your Ground Laws: Escalating trivial fist fights to Mortal Kombat since 2005.™

I am not sure you got much the correct bedside the names. We don't know if Martin was casing house like Zimmerman stated but we do know he had been previously caught with burglary tools so the odds are not that long that he was doing what he was accused of. Using inappropriate but emotionally charged words is sign of someone trying to hide from the reality that the facts don't support their argument. He was not stalked he was followed and we he noticed he was being followed by a "cracker" the young racist circled around and attacked the cracker. I know the left wet themselves with how cute they thought they were being turning the stand your ground argument around but really they are the only ones impressed. First off it was the media not the defense who used that argument. Zimmerman was pinned to the ground so that law never applied and secondly it doesn't give the right to circle back and attack someone you don't like because if their color of their skin and certainly doesn't protect you from results of that decision. If the police had showed up before Martin was shot he would have been arrested and convicted of aggravated assault.

Witness compared the beating he was giving Zimmerman to a UFC beat down. Zimmerman had wounds to his face and gashes on the back of his head where Martin was bouncing his skull off the concrete, the only wounds Martin had were from the bullet and the damage he did to his fist pounding on white crackers crazy enough to follow him.


View original postMichael Brown was unarmed, distant and fleeing, so I must disagree with the Ferguson and DoJ conclusions the cops claim to feel threatened cannot be disproven. If Brown reached into his car and grabbed his gun, sure, he was threatened then: But not when Brown FLED. Sorry, when someone exits their vehicle and PURSUES another, they cannot plausible claim to feel "threatened."

Please support this or just admit you are full of shit. Seriously dude the physical evidence as well as all the credible eyewitness that Brown was not fleeing but coming back at the officer. It really isn't even close and believing otherwise puts your on the same level as holocaust deniers in terms of self induced ignorance to protect a deeply held prejudice.

Joel this argument is so stupid I have to suspect you are just trolling unless you really believe a police office does have not only the right but he responsibility to pursue a man who had just robbed a store and then attacked and attempted to disarm him. If you truly are that completely discounted from reality I suggestion getting meds and a good in patient program because of the many stupid argument I have seen on this issue that make them all seem rational.


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And its corollary "Everyone from sleeping children to geriatric invalids can easily overpower people held to strict physical fitness standards, trained to not only defend themselves but SUBDUE OTHERS and armed with at LEAST two of their own forms of lethal force." Some recent examples:
I am on your side on all three of the examples you give (I actually referenced the third in another post on this thread), but the superior ability of one party in a fight does not justify his opponent, and restrict his right to win.


Another BS argument coming from the same people who claim police brutality when those other none lethal forces are used. It is really so hard to just see that in every media case the person hurt was the one whose poor decision lead them to this. Sorry I am not sure what your mommy our civics professor told but the first amendment does mean police have to take your verbal abuse and fighting them is not a heroic cause and sorry they they don't have to rick physical injury or death because your dumb ass decided to go down swinging. To many officers have been killed with their own weapon to allow that kind of idiocy to grow.

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Sorry but almost everything you said was wrong - 18/07/2015 02:48:44 PM 605 Views
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