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This is why the Catholic Church opposes capital punishment AND abortion equally Joel Send a noteboard - 10/08/2015 09:30:47 AM

Because a life is a life; pity so few US Catholics agree with their church on that point


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People won't understand that truth about grown human beings whose right to exist they accept in principle. When it's a life they don't have to ever look at, can keep secret, and removes a massive inconvenience, they are NEVER going to accept the truth. We can pat ourselves on the back for being better than them, but at some point, I have to wonder whether or not it might be better to do something about it. As I said above, oderint dum metuant. Let them hate the pro-life movement (remember, we are not a disenfranchised minority fighting for equal rights, where hatred would not serve our cause, we are fighting to preserve the LIVES, not quality of life, for an absolutely helpless set of victims, incapable of doing anything to help their cause - next to that, what are our reputations worth? ), if they are going to be too terrified to walk into an abortion mill.

My position on the issue is that I am personally opposed to it. I would never do it myself. I believe it to be wrong and a great tragedy. But I can't presume to judge someone who WOULD do such a thing, because I have not walked a mile in their shoes. I can't speak to the experiences or personal values that would incite or permit another individual to do such a thing, so I cannot, in good conscience, condemn a person who performs a terminal procedure on an abortionist.


While I understand your point, I still can not support it. What good is protecting one life to simply end another? And, if someone is willing to and feels justified in ending one life, what is to stop them from feeling justified in ending another? Are we keeping score, and it won't be even until 30 million abortion doctors are dead? We'd run out of abortionists quickly, so what then, do we kill those who aborted their own children?

I am sorry, Cannoli, but supporting, or even looking the other way, of the murder of a person dismisses any and all claims to being 'pro-life' and simply makes you 'anti-choice', as the aborts would love to label us all.


Yup. You had it right in the post to which he responded: Present conclusive proof a fetus is not only human and alive but a BEING and I will be front and center to oppose abortion in all cases where carrying the pregnancy to term would not simply kill mother AND child (sorry, Governor Walker, but no, there is not "always a better option out there;" I deeply wish there were, but I and everyone must live in reality, not my wishes.) Sadly, it is VERY hard to convince anyone something that does not even have brainwaves--nor even a BRAIN--is a being. There is a reason abortion support is inversely proportional to the length of pregnancy, and it is NOT Cannolis "out of sight, out of mind."


View original postYes, we are fighting to protect lives of innocents, but what if radical Islam began making that claim? Hell, what if they truly believed it? Would they then be justified by car bombing a civilian market? I'm just saying (and, again, I understand you may have a different view, and that's fine, but I feel that view is wrong), you have to support all life, to be truly pro-life.

In a sense, radical Islamic militants DO believe they are protecting the ultimate innocence: Holiness itself. Why Almighty God NEEDS their protection, much less by means of committing a sin all religions agree He categorily condemns, and especially by committing against OTHER innocents, is unclear, but that is their belief--which is what makes them both irrational and incredibly dangerous: Just like Army of God. Playing the Klans game of "of course I would never MURDER these people, because that would be very wrong, but if YOU want to, these are their addresses" may satisfy the letter of SCOTUS rulings but remains reprehensibly immoral, unholy and the antithesis of "pro-life."


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I say, let's make the killing of abortion doctors safe, legal and rare.
I won't lie, I lol'd pretty hard.

It is all fun and games till more doctors get murdered. Then, for some of us, it is apparently just fun.

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This is why the Catholic Church opposes capital punishment AND abortion equally Joel - 10/08/2015 09:30:47 AM 550 Views
Will no one rid you of these troublesome abortionists, eh? Joel - 10/08/2015 09:12:23 AM 546 Views
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Who cares? That's his business. Cannoli - 18/07/2015 01:16:44 PM 615 Views
You seem to care since you brought it up random thoughts - 18/07/2015 01:28:46 PM 594 Views
why only some child molesters? random thoughts - 17/07/2015 05:40:21 PM 592 Views
All actual child molesters, not all who are convicted of such offenses. Cannoli - 18/07/2015 01:26:25 PM 582 Views
That is a problem with most sexual assualt not to mention doemstic abuse cases *NM* random thoughts - 18/07/2015 01:40:43 PM 293 Views
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the silly "unarmed" argument random thoughts - 17/07/2015 04:57:32 AM 585 Views
All I heard was "no one 'needs' guns." Joel - 17/07/2015 10:59:40 AM 682 Views
See, these are tyranny, because the cops picked the fights. Cannoli - 17/07/2015 02:09:21 PM 561 Views
Cops picked their fight with Garner, too: Why is that not tyranny? Joel - 18/07/2015 03:33:52 AM 568 Views
Re: Cops picked their fight with Garner, too: Why is that not tyranny? Cannoli - 18/07/2015 01:59:41 PM 596 Views
The above question remains, unanswered Joel - 09/08/2015 04:20:37 AM 594 Views
Sorry but almost everything you said was wrong random thoughts - 18/07/2015 02:48:44 PM 605 Views
... was exactly that. Joel - 09/08/2015 04:23:54 AM 530 Views
Sorry but almost everything you said was wrong random thoughts - 18/07/2015 02:48:45 PM 587 Views
OK Not an respond to what I said? random thoughts - 17/07/2015 05:29:55 PM 592 Views
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There is that, but few LINOs acknowledge the name is only that Joel - 18/07/2015 03:33:40 AM 528 Views
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BOTH are problems for everyone; one is just more serious because systemic and promoting the other Joel - 09/08/2015 04:25:00 AM 564 Views
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