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I call that accidents of history Roland00 Send a noteboard - 27/07/2016 02:51:45 AM

Yes the 13 colonies had their own leaders that were in place for decades of self governing rule. Thus they did not have many radicals in positions of already existing power.

Yet you get angry when in France this did not come about for all the positions of power occurred where there was no self goverance, no existing power structure.

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2nd poverty, and starvation was a much bigger thing that was occuring in France and not in the US when we had our revolution.

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Third I am SHOCKED that no one has mentioned what happened in the US and how shitty we treated several of the US people who were Loyal to Britain.

The vast majority of the US population during the war were not for the revolutionaries, nor work they for the loyalists. They just wanted to work, and eat, and to provide for their children.

There was a substantial minority of people, the "loyalists" who actively fought with the british armies during the revolutionary war.

At least 60,000 people of a country of 2.5 million left the US after the war (some historians put the number higher at like 80,000). That said about 15 to 20% of the US population (about 500,000) were wanting the british to win during the war. So roughly 1 in 8 of those people who wanted the british to win the war, then decided to leave the country going to Canada, Florida, or back to the UK after the war.

This was a major issue during the revolutionary war, for during the war there were riots, and people literally stole from these loyalists, raiding their homes and stealing their property. The treaty of paris had 10 agreements that had to be worked out in 1783 to end the war. The first 3 literally dealt with the borders of the US. The next 3 dealt with stopping this confiscations, and doing restitution to the loyalists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1783)

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I find it offensive that people gloss over this fact of how shitty the US treated the loyalists during the war, and after the war. I find it offensive the same people then talk about how shitty the French Revolutionary war.

Yes the French Revolutionary War was worse, it was a disgusting time of humanity for the state of nature of mankind, the state where when men is stressed and wants food on its table, and has no structure, society, rules, man does horrible things during that time.

But to say one thing is so much better than another, without understanding the history, and the CONTEXT of how the situations were similar and different means you truly do not get it. Opinioning about the virtue of one vs another, without mentioning the differences of events and the differences of the context leading to the events just demonstrates one is clueless and obtuse and kinda pompous.

It is arguing that my emperor is wearing socks, so mine is better, HAHAHA, for your emperor of yours has no clothes. Sorry but in both situations the emperor is virtually naked, and he is showing his naughty bits.

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If one wants to talk about social justice, one needs to understand the idea of privilege. America was god damn lucky, that it was born with certain things that other countries did not. We had the privilege of self governance prior to our revolutionary war. We had the privilege of a sustainable economy prior to our revolutionary war. We had the privilege of greater social bonds with our neighbors, with a shared culture prior to our revolutionary war.

And even with all of these privileges, we still screwed up many things. We are lucky due to accidents of history, or god blessing us with unique talents, and unique capabilities that other countries did not have when they fought for freedom and revolted against the powers that be.

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