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Re: that reply was more incoherent than usual, are you feeling ok? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 06/08/2016 05:13:31 PM

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You need to prove that there is some sort of obstacle to blacks obtaining appropriate ID that whites do not face.

Given your past idiocies on this topic, like complaining that not accepting invalid forms of ID (like college student ID) is racist, or that setting aside a special day for blacks to be bussed to the polls by their church. No one was letting whites use student ID or vote on church bussing days.


For an incoherent post, you had no trouble for once coming up with direct answers to the questions I posed.


for someone born to a segregated hospital, who doesn't have a proper birth certificate because they weren't allowed to file one because the government didn't recognize their citizenship until after 1964, is that obstacle enough?
There are still ways to get birth certificates and other documentation if that is the case. White people lose documentation when town halls burn down and in other similar circumstances. It's a pain in the ass, but if Tammany Hall & Richard Daley & Lyndon Johnson weren't such crooks, there wouldn't be any need to prevent voter fraud, long the specialty of the Democratic party. You're not proving any special discrimination against black people, just generalizations about black people themselves that supposedly make compliance more difficult for them. Most black people make less money, so it's harder for them to buy luxury goods. That does not meant the pricing of luxury goods is racist.
the entire point of the law was that black people lack certain forms of ID so they wrote the law specifically to disallow those forms of ID. is THAT obstacle enough for you?
What other forms of ID were they supposed to use? How else are they to prevent fraud? It was a black legislator who introduced Rhode Island's supposedly racist voter ID laws, because of his experience with fraudulent voting.

i'm pretty sure there is no level of proof that you will accept because you would rather the republicans rig the system than accept that people who are not white have any citizenship in America, especially if they might vote democrat.


for that matter, why doesn't a college ID prove you are the person you claim to be to the State?

Because it does not prove your identity. It is issued based on attendance at a school, which can be done under fraudulent circumstances. I have been issued many student identifications, and I can say that in not one instance was I required to prove who I was. My picture was taken and attached to a card with my name, and sometimes an institutionally-issued number. There is also almost never any security to ensure their legitimacy. Anyone can duplicate a student ID with off-the-shelf equipment. Bars usually don't accept student ID for proof of age, either, for just that reason.
why is a college ID less of a form of identification than a concealed carry gun permit?
Based on your intellectual limitations, I am going to assume you have never obtained the former, and the idea of you having the latter is pretty hard as well, so I concede this is a legitimate question probably born of ignorance. So I will tell you. Obtaining a permit merely to purchase a fire arm is an exhaustive, months-long process, requiring background checks, a consent form to check the mental health records, fingerprinting the recipient, and submission of references. For a concealed carry permit, the process is even more so. Furthermore, like driver's licences, both are issued by the actual state itself. Those forms of identification are acknowledgements by the state of their holder's identity. The state does not issue a student ID, even at a state school, making a student ID no more valid than an employee identification issued by a private employer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

http://news.stanford.edu/2016/05/23/disabled-face-significant-obstacles-voting-americas-political-system-stanford-expert-finds/

not that i expect you to have any empathy for anyone in this situation. you've already proven yourself to be an asshole of the highest order who doesn't give a shit about anyone but yourself.


Empathy doesn't mean making sweeping changes in practical laws to accommodate a handful of outliers and substantiate the claims of cranks, like the Stanford nut cited in your second article. This is a person who is cited in the article as bitching that one of the most socially-conscious TV shows in history, that went out of its way to provide opportunities and illustrate the problems faced by minorities and other disenfranchised people, didn't go out of the way in their perpetual battle to stay on the air, to air her pet grievances.

These are ridiculous people, who demonstrate why "academic" has a second meaning, synonymous with "irrelevant". You will never ever get a law that does not inconvenience somebody, and given the long history of voter fraud utilizing minority groups and the poor or otherwise disadvantaged as human shields, to allow any old person to just wander up to a poll and claim to be a voter, and then cast a vote, would be a serious violation of everyone's civil rights. Each falsely cast vote cheapens the value of each legitimate vote. In many cases, where they keep track of individual voters, people have come to the polls, only to be turned away, and told they are already on record at voting.

The alleged obstacles described in your linked articles have nothing to do with race, merely allegations that black people are more likely to suffer these aberrant circumstances, such as misspelled birth certificates and the like. The notion that there is no documentation of black people's birth because they were not citizens is nonsense, since they have been citizens for longer than any living person has been alive, and the Democrats who instituted the laws that kept them from voting, had a definite interest in keeping track of them. Instead, the problems faced by the mascots profiled in the article are simple human errors.

Cannoli
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